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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.11 15:43:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers.
Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems:
1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill.
2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho.
3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs 
With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:05:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt?
Nope not yet I use the laser either with a gal medium suit or a heavy as I have not yet specced into Amar Assaultsuits |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.12 09:07:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Buff the damage a little bit (from 17 to about 19 or 20), extend the range from 65-85 to about 55-90, with damage dropoff not hitting really hard until about 110m.
Imo my biggest issues with the laser are the rate of ammo consumption, the damage formula being based off the number of consecutive shots fired (17 + [0.6 * shots fired consecutively]) instead of damage buildup being based on heat management, and the relatively small window of 'holy crap this weapon is amazing' effectiveness compared to weapons like the assault rifle.
The damage buff would probably too much as this mean the return of the OP Chromosome Viziam  . But I agree on the Range buff... |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
210
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Posted - 2013.11.12 10:58:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers. Well the standard laser is pretty good, right now imho the laser has three problems: 1) speccing into operation is not benefitting enough the cooldown reduction is not really worth the SP to be honest I just spent the SP to get acces to the proficiency skill. 2) scaling across the tiers is not very good using anything else than the std laser is a waste of ISK imho. 3) people that don't exactly know the optimals for the laser and constantly using them like ARs With 1.7 there could be another issue: the Rail Rifle will be more effective in the lasers optimal range. I guess the RR will render the laser nearly useless it has better range and comparable damage output without the drawbacks of having only a small optimals niche or overheating. (At least as far as I know ^^). Have you used it with Amarr Assualt?
Maybe you could enlight me what the suit does for scaling the LR across the tiers? Or what does the suit for people not knowing how to proper use the LR.
In fact I think the standard LR is pretty good and I know with an amar assault suit it would be even better. But the Suit do not solve the propblem that the operation skill does not much for you or that the advanced or proto variants get only small benefits compared to the price increase. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.19 12:26:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:The laser is fine. People kill me faster than a duvolle in the right hands. Perhaps it needs tweaking, but perhaps more variety between the tiers.
You are right I can easily kill a Duvolle User with a Laser Rifle in my optimal Range and outside the Duvolles optimal range but this is simply by design. If its the other way round a Duvolle will win anytime. So here is not the big problem, the problem comes with the new rifles to be precise with the Rail Rifle.
The RR will have better DPS, more Range and less damage falloff this thing will simply make the LR obsolote in its current state.
BTW the same will be mostly true for the current AR it will most likely be outperformed by the AsCR and CR as both have more Range and basicly the same DPS. This concept is somewhat stupid.
Instead of creating real niches for every kind of AR CCP creates just improved copies of one AR this is really sad and CCP wasted a big oppertunity for real diversity here. |
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