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Cat Merc wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

I like how you had to put that bit in about Logi suits at the end!

Short of nerfing a logi suit into the ground, a squad of logis will always beat an assault suit, why? Because they have choice, you could make it identical to assault suits with extra equipment, they would still win because they have choice. Thats the way it should be, I think the assault should be moved down the tree and replaced with crusader and/or grenadier suits.

uhh... no.
Nowhere does it say that logistics is a better assault.
It says it's a support platform, and yet it's used as an assault suit that can beat pretty much every assault suit.

But it is and always will be, unless you make either assaults stupidly overpowered, or logis stupidly underpowered. Its a dropsuit weilding a weapon and a ****-tonne of equipment, you could limit them to sidearms and I'd still put my money on the logi squad!

By nature of what a logi is he is gonna win in every scenario, as for the assault, what is the actual point in them over the standard racial?

The only difference between the standard and assault suits is the racial bonuses and prehaps a little more fitting, so why do we need a suit specifically for assaulting, when the standard, logistics, heavies, commamdos and hell even sentinel suits can do just as well, if not better?

I put to you its not the logistics suit that is game breaking, but the assault, noobs and vets alike spec into the suit because of the name, "assault", when really its not gonna give them that extra oomph it sounds like it will. In addition using the assault suit as yard stick is gonna make the game horrendously unbalanced.

If you wanna make it a pure "support platform" go ahead but

do you really think people are gonna play logi, just to support some brickhead assault
do you really think people are gonna play sentinel, just wait for some brickhead assault
do you really think people are gonna play scout, just to scan some brickhead assault
do you really think people are gonna play commando, just to be av squad support for some brickhead assault
do you really think peopel are gonna play pilot, just to be vehicular support for some brickhead assault

that same brickhead assault who thinks he is god's gift to new eden, because he is the one who chose to be the assault?
If you answered yes to all of them, go play COD, because if you make one suit supperior for assaulting, no-one is gonna want to play a role that involves mopping up behind him.

Logis are inherently overpowered.
A sidearm only would 100% make them equal to assaults, just in support rather than in direct combat.
But people don't want that, so \/o\/


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Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 948	Posted - 2013.11.10 12:40:00 - [1] - Quote I like how you had to put that bit in about Logi suits at the end! Short of nerfing a logi suit into the ground, a squad of logis will always beat an assault suit, why? Because they have choice, you could make it identical to assault suits with extra equipment, they would still win because they have choice. Thats the way it should be, I think the assault should be moved down the tree and replaced with crusader and/or grenadier suits. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 949	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:42:00 - [2] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I like how you had to put that bit in about Logi suits at the end! Short of nerfing a logi suit into the ground, a squad of logis will always beat an assault suit, why? Because they have choice, you could make it identical to assault suits with extra equipment, they would still win because they have choice. Thats the way it should be, I think the assault should be moved down the tree and replaced with crusader and/or grenadier suits. uhh... no. Nowhere does it say that logistics is a better assault. It says it's a support platform, and yet it's used as an assault suit that can beat pretty much every assault suit. But it is and always will be, unless you make either assaults stupidly overpowered, or logis stupidly underpowered. Its a dropsuit weilding a weapon and a ***-tonne of equipment, you could limit them to sidearms and I'd still put my money on the logi squad! By nature of what a logi is he is gonna win in every scenario, as for the assault, what is the actual point in them over the standard racial? The only difference between the standard and assault suits is the racial bonuses and prehaps a little more fitting, so why do we need a suit specifically for assaulting, when the standard, logistics, heavies, commamdos and hell even sentinel suits can do just as well, if not better? I put to you its not the logistics suit that is game breaking, but the assault, noobs and vets alike spec into the suit because of the name, "assault", when really its not gonna give them that extra oomph it sounds like it will. In addition using the assault suit as yard stick is gonna make the game horrendously unbalanced. If you wanna make it a pure "support platform" go ahead but do you really think people are gonna play logi, just to support some brickhead assault do you really think people are gonna play sentinel, just wait for some brickhead assault do you really think people are gonna play scout, just to scan some brickhead assault do you really think people are gonna play commando, just to be av squad support for some brickhead assault do you really think peopel are gonna play pilot, just to be vehicular support for some brickhead assault that same brickhead assault who thinks he is god's gift to new eden, because he is the one who chose to be the assault? If you answered yes to all of them, go play COD, because if you make one suit supperior for assaulting, no-one is gonna want to play a role that involves mopping up behind him. The pen is mightier than the sword* The gun is mightier than both
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 949	Posted - 2013.11.10 21:55:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I like how you had to put that bit in about Logi suits at the end! Short of nerfing a logi suit into the ground, a squad of logis will always beat an assault suit, why? Because they have choice, you could make it identical to assault suits with extra equipment, they would still win because they have choice. Thats the way it should be, I think the assault should be moved down the tree and replaced with crusader and/or grenadier suits. uhh... no. Nowhere does it say that logistics is a better assault. It says it's a support platform, and yet it's used as an assault suit that can beat pretty much every assault suit. But it is and always will be, unless you make either assaults stupidly overpowered, or logis stupidly underpowered. Its a dropsuit weilding a weapon and a ***-tonne of equipment, you could limit them to sidearms and I'd still put my money on the logi squad! By nature of what a logi is he is gonna win in every scenario, as for the assault, what is the actual point in them over the standard racial? The only difference between the standard and assault suits is the racial bonuses and prehaps a little more fitting, so why do we need a suit specifically for assaulting, when the standard, logistics, heavies, commamdos and hell even sentinel suits can do just as well, if not better? I put to you its not the logistics suit that is game breaking, but the assault, noobs and vets alike spec into the suit because of the name, "assault", when really its not gonna give them that extra oomph it sounds like it will. In addition using the assault suit as yard stick is gonna make the game horrendously unbalanced. If you wanna make it a pure "support platform" go ahead but do you really think people are gonna play logi, just to support some brickhead assault do you really think people are gonna play sentinel, just wait for some brickhead assault do you really think people are gonna play scout, just to scan some brickhead assault do you really think people are gonna play commando, just to be av squad support for some brickhead assault do you really think peopel are gonna play pilot, just to be vehicular support for some brickhead assault that same brickhead assault who thinks he is god's gift to new eden, because he is the one who chose to be the assault? If you answered yes to all of them, go play COD, because if you make one suit supperior for assaulting, no-one is gonna want to play a role that involves mopping up behind him. Logis are inherently overpowered. A sidearm only would 100% make them equal to assaults, just in support rather than in direct combat. But people don't want that, so \/o\/ Prescisely people don't want to play a suit where you have to sit back and do nothing, it wouldn't make it equal to assaults it would crush logi suits, the only time your weapon would be useful is if you get flanked at less than 30m because the smg, scrambler pistol and flaylock have terrible range, you won't kill anyone and if you seriously believe people will play a suit purposefully designed to make killing harder, you have another thing coming! Remove the assault and replace it with either the crusader or grenadier suit! The pen is mightier than the sword* The gun is mightier than both
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 949	Posted - 2013.11.10 22:08:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Sorry, made a mistake, I wrote "logis are inherently overpowered" rather than aren't. Ooops. You see I believe the Logistics suit is inherently more powerful than an assault suit because of the choice of equipment, and as our repitoir of equipment grows, with shield bubbles, drones, turrets etc logi suits will become more powerful! Its not a problem though, not if we have other suits that are just as useful like crusader suits that allow for spider tanking, lr grenadier suits that allow for more grenades. The logi is balanced for other specialist suits, nlt the assaut which isn't really a specilization! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both