DUST Search - How is one meant to counter a Thale's?

calvin b wrote:

A'Real Fury wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

A'Real Fury wrote:

Bring in a standard sniper, give him/her squad lead so he can select the attack order after spotting the thale. Change back to assault etc and pass back the squad lead and when you have the WP drop an OB on him.

Alternatives are after the target is lit FG Snipe or Rail Gun or finally counter the thale with another one.

I've actually been trying to counter them with my own Thale's - but neither I nor my squadmates can actually find them.

I spent a couple of months running around as a sniper, got bored of Logi-ing all the time, and I was waiting until my assault fit was ready, to learn where some of the interesting places to snipe are. I can find them, at least some of the time, but half the time they are in crevices etc where you can not get line of sight.

However, when it comes to finding them put on a sniper fit, even the free one, go to their redline but off to the side and just move the sniper rifle around and they will just suddenly pop up, so long as you remember their name to make sure you have the right guy.

I have "spotted" thale users even when they are behind hills. It is almost like the sniper rifle has its own very long range scanner.

Hope this helps.

If you have enough dampers and skills you will not show up. I do not even have a chevron. I have walked into the enemy camp and walked beside people in my assault suit and they did not notice. The only time they realize who I am is when they aim at me to see I am red and not a friendly blue.

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Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4782	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:07:00 - [1] - Quote So I've had several matches in a row with Thale's snipers on both teams and I'm really getting sick of not being able to do anything about them. We had people running along the enemy redline with proto scanners (the long range, 200m ones) and still couldn't find them. How do you deal with it? Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2061	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:08:00 - [2] - Quote Leave the match. No.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2049	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:09:00 - [3] - Quote Another sniper, grunts can't do it all. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 Fix my scout already
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2320	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:09:00 - [4] - Quote Counter snipe, most snipers in this game are actually pretty bad and usually go for the same spots on the various maps so just visually check those and pop them in the head Of course this does all become more difficult if they are in a heavy suit but thats why we have forge guns with the added benefit of that 1k+ EHP meaning youll be able to take a shot while lining up on them Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4785	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:10:00 - [5] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Another sniper, grunts can't do it all. Had those too. How do you find them? It's a massive map, you know, and it doesn't help that half the time they don't even render because of the ridiculous zoom on their scopes enabling them to sit at 600m. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1524	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:10:00 - [6] - Quote 1.Hop in a MLT jeep or dropship, with a suit that's got a OHK weapon and REs 2.findd them and bail on vehicle in redline 3.kill sniper with extreme prejudice "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4785	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:10:00 - [7] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: 1.Hop in a MLT jeep or dropship, with a suit that's got a OHK weapon and REs 2.findd them and bail on vehicle in redline 3.kill sniper with extreme prejudice How? Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 514	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:11:00 - [8] - Quote switch to your cheap fits and stay on the opposite side of the map. at least that's what i do. i cant stand being OHK'd by something that is impossible for me to deal with, so i just avoid them. How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1524	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:13:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: 1.Hop in a MLT jeep or dropship, with a suit that's got a OHK weapon and REs 2.findd them and bail on vehicle in redline 3.kill sniper with extreme prejudice How? Might I ask what maps these occurred on so I can point out the most likely Thales sniper spots, And another tip, if you get killed by one, pay attention to the distance that they killed you from aswell as the suit they are wearing and what direction they are in (if possible) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1383	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:14:00 - [10] - Quote Leave the match Orbital Strike Thale Tactical w/d-mods LAV and a scout w/shotty Derpship Well-placed Railgun shot Angry words rawwwwwr! LAV plus scout plus remote explosives! Forge Gun SCANNERS! Lovely equipment those... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game

Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4785	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:16:00 - [11] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: 1.Hop in a MLT jeep or dropship, with a suit that's got a OHK weapon and REs 2.findd them and bail on vehicle in redline 3.kill sniper with extreme prejudice How? Might I ask what maps these occurred on so I can point out the most likely Thales sniper spots, And another tip, if you get killed by one, pay attention to the distance that they killed you from aswell as the suit they are wearing and what direction they are in (if possible) Manus Peak, Ashland, Line Harvest, Research Facility. I've run into ludicrous numbers of them. On some of these maps our people running along the redline with scanners were getting killed at 300m. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 430	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:16:00 - [12] - Quote Bring in a standard sniper, give him/her squad lead so he can select the attack order after spotting the thale. Change back to assault etc and pass back the squad lead and when you have the WP drop an OB on him. Alternatives are after the target is lit FG Snipe or Rail Gun or finally counter the thale with another one.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4785	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:17:00 - [13] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Bring in a standard sniper, give him/her squad lead so he can select the attack order after spotting the thale. Change back to assault etc and pass back the squad lead and when you have the WP drop an OB on him. Alternatives are after the target is lit FG Snipe or Rail Gun or finally counter the thale with another one. I've actually been trying to counter them with my own Thale's - but neither I nor my squadmates can actually find them. Level 4 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 114	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:19:00 - [14] - Quote Change to a cheap fitting, and try to determine the direction and distance of the guy killing you. Once you have the direction, you can stay behind cover, and with the distance you can figure out on the map where he is. Then do one of the many options listed by Xocoyol Zaraoul. Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1776	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:23:00 - [15] - Quote Did you look on top of the MCC? AKA: Rees Noturana https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 144	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote another method is to use a damaged modded charge snipers and try to go for that head shot after finding them. chances are if it's a thales, they are in the red line with a heavy suit packing over 1k eHP. i plan to use this when i see them The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1525	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:29:00 - [17] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: 1.Hop in a MLT jeep or dropship, with a suit that's got a OHK weapon and REs 2.findd them and bail on vehicle in redline 3.kill sniper with extreme prejudice How? Might I ask what maps these occurred on so I can point out the most likely Thales sniper spots, And another tip, if you get killed by one, pay attention to the distance that they killed you from aswell as the suit they are wearing and what direction they are in (if possible) Manus Peak, Ashland, Line Harvest, Research Facility. I've run into ludicrous numbers of them. On some of these maps our people running along the redline with scanners were getting killed at 300m. Manus, they they are usually on the mountain in the redline (I think it's by B) Line harvest, they usually on the mountains below the mcc, or along the redline on either side (I mean right on the redline like 1 step and the timer is going off) Research facility (I think you are talking about that massive one with the craters in it) they,are usually in the mountain or camped on top of a structure. Hope this helps :) "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 430	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:29:00 - [18] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Bring in a standard sniper, give him/her squad lead so he can select the attack order after spotting the thale. Change back to assault etc and pass back the squad lead and when you have the WP drop an OB on him. Alternatives are after the target is lit FG Snipe or Rail Gun or finally counter the thale with another one. I've actually been trying to counter them with my own Thale's - but neither I nor my squadmates can actually find them. I spent a couple of months running around as a sniper, got bored of Logi-ing all the time, and I was waiting until my assault fit was ready, to learn where some of the interesting places to snipe are. I can find them, at least some of the time, but half the time they are in crevices etc where you can not get line of sight. However, when it comes to finding them put on a sniper fit, even the free one, go to their redline but off to the side and just move the sniper rifle around and they will just suddenly pop up, so long as you remember their name to make sure you have the right guy. I have "spotted" thale users even when they are behind hills. It is almost like the sniper rifle has its own very long range scanner. Hope this helps.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 870	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:42:00 - [19] - Quote As a Thale user I can say you will have a hard time countering me. The only thing that has got me is the occasional orbital and its a 50/50 chance. I watched orbitals fall in front of me and all I do is take it as a sign to find another place to rain death on the red dots. A good Thale user will be at least 400M from any target and most of the time I am 500+. I know how to use cover and whatever means around me to make me invisible and unable to be reached. If I hear or see a dropship approaching I will call in an LAV and drive further away. I have had LAV/scout suicidal players try and reach me. I know the time limit they have and all I do is run further away. They will die from redline exposure and I will survive and change my tactics. If you are dealing with an experienced sniper it will not matter where or what they are using they will make your life Hell. I use a KAAL to infiltrate and kill as many as I can before I am found. The cost of the death vs. what I have destroyed is well worth the risk. Nothing is better than to kill proto's and to know I just cost them 100K or more Do not eat the yellow snow
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 870	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:44:00 - [20] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Bring in a standard sniper, give him/her squad lead so he can select the attack order after spotting the thale. Change back to assault etc and pass back the squad lead and when you have the WP drop an OB on him. Alternatives are after the target is lit FG Snipe or Rail Gun or finally counter the thale with another one. I've actually been trying to counter them with my own Thale's - but neither I nor my squadmates can actually find them. I spent a couple of months running around as a sniper, got bored of Logi-ing all the time, and I was waiting until my assault fit was ready, to learn where some of the interesting places to snipe are. I can find them, at least some of the time, but half the time they are in crevices etc where you can not get line of sight. However, when it comes to finding them put on a sniper fit, even the free one, go to their redline but off to the side and just move the sniper rifle around and they will just suddenly pop up, so long as you remember their name to make sure you have the right guy. I have "spotted" thale users even when they are behind hills. It is almost like the sniper rifle has its own very long range scanner. Hope this helps. If you have enough dampers and skills you will not show up. I do not even have a chevron. I have walked into the enemy camp and walked beside people in my assault suit and they did not notice. The only time they realize who I am is when they aim at me to see I am red and not a friendly blue. Do not eat the yellow snow

Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 349	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:49:00 - [21] - Quote The real question is, how do you counter a sniper? There are no facts, only interpretations. I am a monument to all your sins
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 363	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:51:00 - [22] - Quote Buddy of mine uses his drop ship to squish them over and over again, its funny.
Sage E'LOS Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:52:00 - [23] - Quote If you are far from your enemy, make him believe you are near. *Always pass on what you have learned*
castba Penguin's March 188	Posted - 2013.11.09 21:52:00 - [24] - Quote To find such a rare and delicate creature as this, one generally must traverse fields of red although they can be found sitting in the clouds on the highest peaks or on large stationary floating masses. Usually quite difficult to find, and with good reason, the Thales Sniper is a rare delicacy much adored by predators whom, once the Thales Sniper has announced its arrival to the area, have been known leave their current activies and hunt the TS in numbers. Whilst elusive, this creature will invariably defecate up to three times for which it once again uses as sustenance. this dedication, whilst a strength, is also a weakness as the glowing faeces can be spotted by predators and alert them to the nest of the Thales Sniper An intensely private creature, the Thales Sniper is one of New Eden's more potent silent killers. Some have been found to have developed the skills to somehow communicate with other predators, who in turn offer protection in the form of distraction for the TS. This form if Thales Sniper is a particularly effective killer.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 430	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:13:00 - [25] - Quote calvin b wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: A'Real Fury wrote: Bring in a standard sniper, give him/her squad lead so he can select the attack order after spotting the thale. Change back to assault etc and pass back the squad lead and when you have the WP drop an OB on him. Alternatives are after the target is lit FG Snipe or Rail Gun or finally counter the thale with another one. I've actually been trying to counter them with my own Thale's - but neither I nor my squadmates can actually find them. I spent a couple of months running around as a sniper, got bored of Logi-ing all the time, and I was waiting until my assault fit was ready, to learn where some of the interesting places to snipe are. I can find them, at least some of the time, but half the time they are in crevices etc where you can not get line of sight. However, when it comes to finding them put on a sniper fit, even the free one, go to their redline but off to the side and just move the sniper rifle around and they will just suddenly pop up, so long as you remember their name to make sure you have the right guy. I have "spotted" thale users even when they are behind hills. It is almost like the sniper rifle has its own very long range scanner. Hope this helps. If you have enough dampers and skills you will not show up. I do not even have a chevron. I have walked into the enemy camp and walked beside people in my assault suit and they did not notice. The only time they realize who I am is when they aim at me to see I am red and not a friendly blue. Very true but truly dedicated snipers are still pretty rare even among those who have the Sp invested to use a Thales. Ultimately the best way to counter a thale user is to learn the best places to snipe and then locate the specific location of that particular sniper.
Crash Monster Snipers Anonymous 1770	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:15:00 - [26] - Quote calvin b wrote: If you have enough dampers and skills you will not show up. I do not even have a chevron. I have walked into the enemy camp and walked beside people in my assault suit and they did not notice. The only time they realize who I am is when they aim at me to see I am red and not a friendly blue. It's rare, but you will find people showing up as only a small suit colored blob. With enough time behind the scope you will start to catch something different as you check out likely spots. Of course, terrain and weather have a lot to do with visibility. It is a lot easier to spot snipers if you've run one for a while.
Joel II X AHPA 111	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:17:00 - [27] - Quote You could run scout with dampners and look for them with a long range weapon, going thrive the borders. Or know where they are and use a Chargie Snipie.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 311	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:20:00 - [28] - Quote One can counter with a sniper rife, a dropship, a forge gun, or an orbital (and of course, map knowledge and a keen eye are necessary). You know, the same things you can use to combat a forge gunner on a tower.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 175	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:30:00 - [29] - Quote When I see Thale's and my team is doing decently... well I just stop whatever else I am doing and try to get them for a little while. I got one on a tower in the red line with a forge gun yesterday. I cannot express the amount of ~smug~ you feel when you take out a thales with a militia forge =) an easy fix to Matchmaking
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 430	Posted - 2013.11.09 22:41:00 - [30] - Quote Crash Monster wrote: calvin b wrote: If you have enough dampers and skills you will not show up. I do not even have a chevron. I have walked into the enemy camp and walked beside people in my assault suit and they did not notice. The only time they realize who I am is when they aim at me to see I am red and not a friendly blue. It's rare, but you will find people showing up as only a small suit colored blob. With enough time behind the scope you will start to catch something different as you check out likely spots. Of course, terrain and weather have a lot to do with visibility. It is a lot easier to spot snipers if you've run one for a while. You to huh? To me they look like a shadow on a wall but I know they are behind cover. I can even see them moving and when they do I just wait for part of their head to stick out and bam.



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