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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.08 18:59:00 -
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Hello,
I was just on comms with a friend while we where on a domination in opposite sides and something really strange happened. He one shot my 1k HP suit with an exo 5 mass driver.
He told me he shot me once. I had no damage whatsoever. We are theorizing what it could be. The damage of the weapons do seem extremely heavy now and I speculate that there was a ninja damage buff or there is something wrong with the damage application system. There is no way a mass driver can deal 1k damage in one shot and here is the math for max possible damage:
Exo 5 damage = 254.1 damage (direct)
Profi 5 = + 15%
3 complex damage mods = 24.4
+20% to armor
254.1 x 1.59 = 404 direct damage.
Now lets say he headshot me 120% and lets take the damage
for the sake of argument I will augment the 404 damage by 120% which is the mass driver headshot damage. That would be a possible multiplier of 2.2 or .2 depending on how the game calculates (some games are different and I've seen it happen). In essences it would either be a bit more than double the damage or do 20% more damage and since I don't know how the game calculates the damage I'll just post the worst case scenario, a doubling of the damage.
404 % 2.2 = 888.8 Not enough to one shot my 1k HP suit.
TL;DR
There are some weird inconsistencies with how the damage is applied in the game. Time to Kill has certainly shortened making even the biggest protostompers to stop using proto because it's not necessary. There is the math of a specific situation that happened to me and it was about 10 mins ago.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:01:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Grenade and then exo-5 finished you?
Weird, though.
No man, just one exo-5 shot. Where the hell did you read grenade?
Edit: not trying to be rude by "where the hell"
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.08 19:04:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Somewhere a Sniper got + 25
Not really, we knew half the other team and no sniper ever appeared on the kill feed once.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:54:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Hello,
I was just on comms with a friend while we where on a domination in opposite sides and something really strange happened. He one shot my 1k HP suit with an exo 5 mass driver.
He told me he shot me once. I had no damage whatsoever. We are theorizing what it could be. The damage of the weapons do seem extremely heavy now and I speculate that there was a ninja damage buff or there is something wrong with the damage application system. There is no way a mass driver can deal 1k damage in one shot and here is the math for max possible damage:
Exo 5 damage = 254.1 damage (direct)
Profi 5 = + 15%
3 complex damage mods = 24.4
+20% to armor
254.1 x 1.59 = 404 direct damage.
Now lets say he headshot me 120% and lets take the damage
for the sake of argument I will augment the 404 damage by 120% which is the mass driver headshot damage. That would be a possible multiplier of 2.2 or .2 depending on how the game calculates (some games are different and I've seen it happen). In essences it would either be a bit more than double the damage or do 20% more damage and since I don't know how the game calculates the damage I'll just post the worst case scenario, a doubling of the damage.
404 % 2.2 = 888.8 Not enough to one shot my 1k HP suit.
TL;DR
There are some weird inconsistencies with how the damage is applied in the game. Time to Kill has certainly shortened making even the biggest protostompers to stop using proto because it's not necessary. There is the math of a specific situation that happened to me and it was about 10 mins ago.
Yeah yeah but you do the same with plasma cannon.
Not really. Direct damage with plasma cannon is 1k damage without any skills or mods and as much as 1600 fully skilled and fully modded.
Splash is, As I have already shown in a videos incorrectly applying dealing less. To top that off, If I kill you with a plasma cannon then That just means I'm better. No one really knows how hard it is to use except the people that use it daily.
They see me using the plasma cannon, They hatin.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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515
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Posted - 2013.11.08 20:57:00 -
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IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:254 * 1.15 * 1.244 = 363 Base = Base
You don't add the modifiers, you multiply them.
The base is applied the your shields at 80%
The remainder is applied to your armor at 120%
Headshots are modified base damage.
Thanks, good to know. Maybe you should do a forum post about it. I would love to really understand how damage is modified
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:44:00 -
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Spectral Clone wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:IceShifter Childhaspawn wrote:254 * 1.15 * 1.244 = 363 Base = Base
You don't add the modifiers, you multiply them.
The base is applied the your shields at 80%
The remainder is applied to your armor at 120%
Headshots are modified base damage. Thanks, good to know. Maybe you should do a forum post about it. I would love to really understand how damage is modified BTW is it? (254*1.15)*1.244 or is it 254*(1.15*1.244) ? Does not matter in which order you multiply, multiplication is commutative in nature.
Hhaha... I totally forgot math
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:55:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:XxGhazbaranxX wrote:Hello,
I was just on comms with a friend while we where on a domination in opposite sides and something really strange happened. He one shot my 1k HP suit with an exo 5 mass driver.
He told me he shot me once. I had no damage whatsoever. We are theorizing what it could be. The damage of the weapons do seem extremely heavy now and I speculate that there was a ninja damage buff or there is something wrong with the damage application system. There is no way a mass driver can deal 1k damage in one shot and here is the math for max possible damage:
Exo 5 damage = 254.1 damage (direct)
Profi 5 = + 15%
3 complex damage mods = 24.4
+20% to armor
254.1 x 1.59 = 404 direct damage.
Now lets say he headshot me 120% and lets take the damage
for the sake of argument I will augment the 404 damage by 120% which is the mass driver headshot damage. That would be a possible multiplier of 2.2 or .2 depending on how the game calculates (some games are different and I've seen it happen). In essences it would either be a bit more than double the damage or do 20% more damage and since I don't know how the game calculates the damage I'll just post the worst case scenario, a doubling of the damage.
404 % 2.2 = 888.8 Not enough to one shot my 1k HP suit.
TL;DR
There are some weird inconsistencies with how the damage is applied in the game. Time to Kill has certainly shortened making even the biggest protostompers to stop using proto because it's not necessary. There is the math of a specific situation that happened to me and it was about 10 mins ago. 120% is 1.2 (multiply 1.2 by 100 to get 120...)
Yes But I have found some games that approach this differently. I've had problems before because 120% does not mean 120% it actually means 220% because it's actually
100 + 120 = 220
But other games it's
100 * 120% = 120
but as someone has already explained.
The modifiers multiply
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
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Posted - 2013.11.09 01:58:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:I have an idea, someone has time to test?
I would but am spending time with the family... Would love to take videos of people willing to test different things.
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