DUST Search - Why ARs are OP

Bethhy wrote:

Beren Hurin wrote:

If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP.

Use Logic: PROOF

AR;'s in public matches seem that way because they work half decently in all situations... Allowing you to be good at most engagements but the master at none.

Take AR's to planetary conquest... and they are very situational. Often in PC you are defending or pushing an objective giving you no control over the ranges in which you engage enemies on..

usually hailing way for a heavy or a shotgunner to run all the close range engagements as your mostly sitting in their optimal with an assault rifle, two players with similar skill and you will loose out with an AR every time or be forced to flee for your clone..

The long range fights with an AR in PC.. is pointless everyone has their best suit on and would have to really screw up staying exposed long enough to kill them long range... so u just end up injuring a bunch of people at that range...

in a competitive enviroment.. the AR under preforms... With a handful of exceptions... of AR users... you'll find the shotgunner and heavy class the real killers in DUST in it's most competitive form.

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Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1768	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:03:00 - [1] - Quote If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP. Use Logic: PROOF
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 462	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:05:00 - [2] - Quote By that logic the same goes for shotguns......NERF THEM! Who says you can't kill in style? Fear the tribes.
VAHZZ The dyst0pian Corporation 70	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:07:00 - [3] - Quote Guns don't kill people silly minmatar..rocks do, those rocks are the things that are truly OP...ever get stuck in on of em? > Master of the Sniper "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results."
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 64	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:17:00 - [4] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP. Use Logic: PROOF lol i like the link you posted and you have good logic. i must agree with the others though, the other weapons need buffs. it doesnt mean you need a direct nerf to the AR
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1769	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:19:00 - [5] - Quote VAHZZ wrote: Guns don't kill people silly minmatar..rocks do, those rocks are the things that are truly OP...ever get stuck in on of em? Heck yeah! All the time! My mom was always like "Watch where you strafe, stay away from the rocks!" ...and I was always like, "BUT MOOOOM I need the rocks for cover!" and my mom was like, "Well the rocks and hills don't like us, boy. You remember that! They will trip you up. If you have to use cover, use boxes and trucks." She would always lecture me and tell me, "The good lord gave you shields and speed for a reason. You aren't a rich and fat Amarrian, and you remember that! You have thin skin and bruise easily. Be careful around those rocks, son!"
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1769	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:22:00 - [6] - Quote chase rowland wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP. Use Logic: PROOF lol i like the link you posted and you have good logic. i must agree with the others though, the other weapons need buffs. it doesnt mean you need a direct nerf to the AR Well if they just made it so when YOU get closer to the AR it got LESS deadly, but if IT got closer to YOU it would just stay the same. They just need to design distance better.
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1455	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:29:00 - [7] - Quote No, just wherever you go the AR can still hit you. Will be fixed in 1.7, but just making that point. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Cosgar ParagonX 7527	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:33:00 - [8] - Quote They're OP because they were balanced around unreliable hit detection. With each hit detection patch, the gun became more and more potent until we have this CoD level TTK. Be patient, CCP is going to re-balance everything, not just the AR. The only question is when. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 457	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:35:00 - [9] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Guns don't kill people silly minmatar..rocks do, those rocks are the things that are truly OP...ever get stuck in on of em? Heck yeah! All the time! My mom was always like "Watch where you strafe, stay away from the rocks!" ...and I was always like, "BUT MOOOOM I need the rocks for cover!" and my mom was like, "Well the rocks and hills don't like us, boy. You remember that! They will trip you up. If you have to use cover, use boxes and trucks." She would always lecture me and tell me, "The good lord gave you shields and speed for a reason. You aren't a rich and fat Amarrian, and you remember that! You have thin skin and bruise easily. Be careful around those rocks, son!" Minnies are strongly against religion, according to lore... "i weel shuut u een duh faise" - some Minnie scout
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1769	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:35:00 - [10] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: No, just wherever you go the AR can still hit you. Will be fixed in 1.7, but just making that point. Yeah see they just need to work on how distance works in Dust. Like if they could make it so that player A was like 30m from player B, but player B was 60m from player A, then they could keep the weapon ranges how they are and wouldn't have to worry about weapon damage amount. Then if I had a scrambler rifle and you had an assault rifle, we could both be inside eachother's optimals, but I could be outside of YOUR optimal from my point of view. [u]Distance-icide[/u]

XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 466	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:36:00 - [11] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Guns don't kill people silly minmatar..rocks do, those rocks are the things that are truly OP...ever get stuck in on of em? Heck yeah! All the time! My mom was always like "Watch where you strafe, stay away from the rocks!" ...and I was always like, "BUT MOOOOM I need the rocks for cover!" and my mom was like, "Well the rocks and hills don't like us, boy. You remember that! They will trip you up. If you have to use cover, use boxes and trucks." She would always lecture me and tell me, "The good lord gave you shields and speed for a reason. You aren't a rich and fat Amarrian, and you remember that! You have thin skin and bruise easily. Be careful around those rocks, son!" Minnies are strongly against religion, according to lore... Reclaimed can be any race. and he was just making a joke, (I hope.) Who says you can't kill in style? Fear the tribes.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1769	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:50:00 - [12] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: VAHZZ wrote: Guns don't kill people silly minmatar..rocks do, those rocks are the things that are truly OP...ever get stuck in on of em? Heck yeah! All the time! My mom was always like "Watch where you strafe, stay away from the rocks!" ...and I was always like, "BUT MOOOOM I need the rocks for cover!" and my mom was like, "Well the rocks and hills don't like us, boy. You remember that! They will trip you up. If you have to use cover, use boxes and trucks." She would always lecture me and tell me, "The good lord gave you shields and speed for a reason. You aren't a rich and fat Amarrian, and you remember that! You have thin skin and bruise easily. Be careful around those rocks, son!" Minnies are strongly against religion, according to lore... My mom came from Tanoo and her parents were Nefantar.
Filthy Habitz The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 2	Posted - 2013.11.08 17:56:00 - [13] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP. Use Logic: PROOF Your goal is null when using snipers as a reference point to the goal. I will happily die to an AR Everytime over getting snipped from halfway across the map to just respond and have it happen again. And have no idea which direction it came from.
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:03:00 - [14] - Quote I think the Apache gunship and the AC130 are OP, mabye the Taliban should ask the UN for a NERF. Silly argument, war isn't fair and the AR is the main direct fire weapon of mercs. It's not OP, you just haven't figured out how to counter it.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1379	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:08:00 - [15] - Quote The current AR is meant to be close range and will be hopefully fixed in 1.7 I also hope rifles will function better others in their proper ranges. AR/Plasma Rifle/Blaster Rifle=close range Combat Rifle=close to mid range Scrambler Rifle=Mid to Long range Rail Rifle=long range
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1769	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:10:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: The current AR is meant to be close range and will be hopefully fixed in 1.7 I also hope rifles will function better others in their proper ranges. AR/Plasma Rifle/Blaster Rifle=close range Combat Rifle=close to mid range Scrambler Rifle=Mid to Long range Rail Rifle=long range ...Wait...what? Why aren't they all close range weapons? You want to get closer to kill people right?
TcuBe3 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 217	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:12:00 - [17] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The current AR is meant to be close range and will be hopefully fixed in 1.7 I also hope rifles will function better others in their proper ranges. AR/Plasma Rifle/Blaster Rifle=close range Combat Rifle=close to mid range Scrambler Rifle=Mid to Long range Rail Rifle=long range ...Wait...what? Why aren't they all close range weapons? You want to get closer to kill people right? NO! since when is a Rifle a close range weapon? Why would I want to get close to the enemy when I can hit them from a distance?
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2659	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:14:00 - [18] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The current AR is meant to be close range and will be hopefully fixed in 1.7 I also hope rifles will function better others in their proper ranges. AR/Plasma Rifle/Blaster Rifle=close range Combat Rifle=close to mid range Scrambler Rifle=Mid to Long range Rail Rifle=long range ...Wait...what? Why aren't they all close range weapons? You want to get closer to kill people right? His feelings are just hurt by dying a lot. Expect more QQ when the longer ranged rifles come out. It will be glorious. The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1769	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:23:00 - [19] - Quote Actually I was playing the part of a blueberry. If you look at a lot of my posts, I try to make the opposite case I've made in the OP here that getting closer to the AR user is about the stupidest thing you can do on a normal basis. I can't wait for the new rifles.
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:30:00 - [20] - Quote Console: L1R1L1R1 Until kb/mouse AND aim assist is removed, it will be a kids game. The first firm to create an actual "big boy" console FPS that does not have aim assist will have the market cornered. Until then, enjoy.

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1379	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:33:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: The current AR is meant to be close range and will be hopefully fixed in 1.7 I also hope rifles will function better others in their proper ranges. AR/Plasma Rifle/Blaster Rifle=close range Combat Rifle=close to mid range Scrambler Rifle=Mid to Long range Rail Rifle=long range ...Wait...what? Why aren't they all close range weapons? You want to get closer to kill people right? His feelings are just hurt by dying a lot. Expect more QQ when the longer ranged rifles come out. It will be glorious. my feelings? I've been using the AR since I started playing :( I just want my Blaster tech to match my playstyle.
Sleepy Zan Xer Cloud Consortium 2744	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:35:00 - [22] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP. Use Logic: PROOF Same can be said about fire, we learned to stay away from that long ago. A real sniper doesn't provide battlefield intelligence, a real sniper leaves no intelligence left on the battlefield.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1769	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:40:00 - [23] - Quote Rahl Draak wrote: Console: L1R1L1R1 Until kb/mouse AND aim assist is removed, it will be a kids game. The first firm to create an actual "big boy" console FPS that does not have aim assist will have the market cornered. Until then, enjoy. Having a joystick controller on an FPS without some kind of aim/acceleration assist would be like having a car with a single gear transmission where you have a single power band to control throttle. Swapping between a Boxer-4 and V-8 would be totally confusing and maintaining speed would be a *****. Multi axis joysticks only control acceleration of your crosshairs on the screen. The 'dream' of 'raw input' is a pipe dream. Raw input with a controller isn't possible. You don't want raw input.
Rahl Draak Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:00:00 - [24] - Quote AIM ASSIST.....is for kids......not ACCEL., read before you post.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles 294	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:20:00 - [25] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP. Use Logic: PROOF AR;'s in public matches seem that way because they work half decently in all situations... Allowing you to be good at most engagements but the master at none. Take AR's to planetary conquest... and they are very situational. Often in PC you are defending or pushing an objective giving you no control over the ranges in which you engage enemies on.. usually hailing way for a heavy or a shotgunner to run all the close range engagements as your mostly sitting in their optimal with an assault rifle, two players with similar skill and you will loose out with an AR every time or be forced to flee for your clone.. The long range fights with an AR in PC.. is pointless everyone has their best suit on and would have to really screw up staying exposed long enough to kill them long range... so u just end up injuring a bunch of people at that range... in a competitive enviroment.. the AR under preforms... With a handful of exceptions... of AR users... you'll find the shotgunner and heavy class the real killers in DUST in it's most competitive form.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 782	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:26:00 - [26] - Quote I think the sharpshooter skill could use some re-working. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 485	Posted - 2013.11.09 17:31:00 - [27] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Beren Hurin wrote: If the goal is to kill someone, you should always run or walk towards them to kill them. When you go towards the AR it just gets more deadly. Therefore it is OP. Use Logic: PROOF AR;'s in public matches seem that way because they work half decently in all situations... Allowing you to be good at most engagements but the master at none. Take AR's to planetary conquest... and they are very situational. Often in PC you are defending or pushing an objective giving you no control over the ranges in which you engage enemies on.. usually hailing way for a heavy or a shotgunner to run all the close range engagements as your mostly sitting in their optimal with an assault rifle, two players with similar skill and you will loose out with an AR every time or be forced to flee for your clone.. The long range fights with an AR in PC.. is pointless everyone has their best suit on and would have to really screw up staying exposed long enough to kill them long range... so u just end up injuring a bunch of people at that range... in a competitive enviroment.. the AR under preforms... With a handful of exceptions... of AR users... you'll find the shotgunner and heavy class the real killers in DUST in it's most competitive form. Is this a joke? It's the most used weapon in all game modes. 1-40+ meter optimal, and up to 60+ meter effective with little to no recoili, no charge-up time, and no vertical dependency is no where near situational. They're out-DPSing Laser at range, and dropping Heavies with a HMG in CQC, and your saying they're masters at none?


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