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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:51:00 -
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The HMG is a CQC weapon. And it does it's job brilliantly in the right hands, leading to enemies becoming nothing but mere swiss cheese in it's optimal range.
The main problem is the fact that besides the Forge Gun, a CQC weapon is the only thing heavies have.
Do not ask to buff the HMG, simply demand that CCP releases heavy weapons.
(From my experience)
-HAND
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:05:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Atiim wrote:The HMG is a CQC weapon. And it does it's job brilliantly in the right hands, leading to enemies becoming nothing but mere swiss cheese in it's optimal range.
The main problem is the fact that besides the Forge Gun, a CQC weapon is the only thing heavies have.
Do not ask to buff the HMG, simply demand that CCP releases heavy weapons.
(From my experience)
-HAND Out of curiosity what is your HMG prof lvl at?
On a weapon that does 17-20 damage per shot? Why would I spend 2mil SP on a skill that gives you 2.5-13 extra HP of damge? That's like asking for a skill that decreases dispersion on a Tactical Sniper Rifle
To be direct, 0. But I have been rocking the PRO one on my brothers account, and it's pretty good (until you die and see that a MLT AR did 1k HP of damage to you in the span of 5 seconds)
On another note, before everyone says "Oh snap he said HMGs are fine, time to grab the pitchforks and sharpen those brass knuckles, listen to what I'm saying.
WE DO NOT NEED THE HMG TO BE GIVEN LONG RANGE ABILITIES, WE NEED MORE/BETTER HEAVY WEAPONS.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:06:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Out of curiosity what is your HMG prof lvl at? Someone needs to search Atiim's SP in-game on the scoreboards, as he apparently has all of his SP split into HAVs, swarmies, scouts, commando suits, and a bunch of other crap pretty much everything actually, like a mini-Iron-Wolf-Saber. Pretty curious, as he must have a crapload of SP in order to do all of this tuff at anything higher then crappy-low tier. Anywho, to the OP... Try playing with your heavy suit, and in "CQC" swap your HMG for a Duvie assault rifle, and compare performance... The HMG is not fine.
I split that between two accounts, mine and my bro's
This alt is closing in on 10m. I'm not sure how much SP my bro has though
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:12:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Atiim wrote:On a weapon that does 17-20 damage per shot? Why would I spend 2mil SP on a skill that gives you 2.5-13 extra HP of damge? Because even at 1 prof that extra 3% damage is giving you an extra 19.8DPS, so if you spent the "two mill" you'd have an extra 99dps not counting damage mods, negating a proto-shield extender and a half in one second effectively... I personally like the idea of going from base 660DPS to 759DPS, but that's just me
I think heavies should get a special skill that increases RPM as well.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:14:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Ishukone ASMG > Boundless
Anyone else see something wrong with that?
Ishukone = God Gun
Get with the program
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:34:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:
I am effective at being an assault, logi, and scout plus I have quite a bit SP in ScR (I have prof 2 for ScR), shotguns, SMGs (I have prof 3 for SMGs), and Swarm Launchers (I have prof 4 in swarms). Plus I have most of the core skills that I need at the level I want them and have quite a bit of equipment skills up. (The only equipment that I don't have Advanced level for is drop uplinks and rep tool which I have both at level 2)
So yea I don't doubt he's speced into all of those things but I don't like how he says that he's a generalist as if that proves his argument correct.
I use the "I'm a generalist" argument when someone says "If you don't have every drop of SP spent into one role, and don't follow the "hive mind", you aren't one of us" argument, those who say "HTFU you aren't a (insert role here), so your thought doesn't matter", despite this being everyone's game where everyone's opinion matters equally. (Unless you are a CoD scrub who want's the AR to be OP, then you do need to "HTFU")
It's pathetic when people use the "you aren't exactly like me, so HTFU scrub" and "luel your KD is lower than mine, get gud scrub" arguments. I don't feel like arguing with these kinds of people. So I just say "i do everything what's your point?" and move on with my life.
Though I do not say I am specced into something until I have at least ADV tier equipment (and sometimes even PRO depending on the gear/type), and know how to use it well
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:36:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:Give HMG the sharpshooter skill that the AR and SMG have? In my experience with the SMG decreasing the dispersion of rounds has a much greater effect than the damage bonuses you have with proficiency.
Just my 2 ISK as someone who has never even tried the HMG
Then HTFU you pig of a man! How dare you say something without having used it, even if you've been on the reciving end of it"!
GET GOOD SCRUB! (No I'm joking)
I think heavies need a sharpshooter skill, and a skill that improves RPM.
But my only concern with the HMG having a sharpshooter skill is what would happen when I crouch down 
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:39:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Atiim, just no bud.
As someone who used HMG at all levels pre/post nerf I can say it is honstly under preforming, it's downright pathetic.
The HMG as a projectile weapon should dominate in not only CQC but in midrange as well.
If you pay attention to my posts, I'm saying that we need more heavy weapons, that;s all.
But If there was a mid to long range heavy weapon, would you complain about HMG range? I wouldn't. (at least not as much)
And this may be off topic, but I saw you in a few matches or two and I must know;
How does a minja wield a Freedom Heavy Machine Gun?
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:43:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Facts
1) In an up-armored Scout Fit, I can stand toe-to-toe with an HMG Heavy long enough to shotgun him to death.
2) In the same fit, I can stand toe-to-toe against an AR or ScR for 1/3 to 1/2 of this time ... EZ Mode wins every time.
Conclusions
1) The AR and ScR are better Close Quarter weapons than an HMG or Shotgun.
2) Any assertion that "HMG is Fine" is flat-out incorrect.
3) CQC is horribly imbalanced in favor of medium-range weaponry.
I must be doing it wrong then, because whenever I'm in a scout fit and jump in front of an HMG, I end up becoming Swiss Cheese. Even with Ferroscale & Reactive Plates.
But I can't even afford to stack HP on a scout with the amount of active scanner spam and the fact that we only have around 200 base stamina.
But yeah "EZ-mode" wins even at the MLT variant. And my sister's alt with the Recruit AR eats people like it's got the case of munchies when you slap a damage mod on it. That .68 HP adds up quickly
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:52:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Atiim wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Atiim, just no bud.
As someone who used HMG at all levels pre/post nerf I can say it is honstly under preforming, it's downright pathetic.
The HMG as a projectile weapon should dominate in not only CQC but in midrange as well.
If you pay attention to my posts, I'm saying that we need more heavy weapons, that;s all. But If there was a mid to long range heavy weapon, would you complain about HMG range? I wouldn't. (at least not as much) And this may be off topic, but I saw you in a few matches or two and I must know; How does a minja wield a Freedom Heavy Machine Gun? Hmm I suppose the HMG would need to be balanced with the other heavy weapons it's range however is still pathetic as a projectile weapon. And a Minja uses an HMG by having an alt :P. Also pardons for not reading the OP I usually don't do that.
HMGs suck because that's all thier is, besides the Almighty Forge Gun
But yeah my main concern is what happens when... heck am I saying. IF the other heavy weapons come out like CCP promised, the HMG would need to be rebalanced for other heavy weapons. If it wasn't, then we'd have a nightmare know as the Heavy Assualt Rifle.
I wish I could have a scout with a Boundless HMG, just for the lols.
And most people don't read the OP, and those that do read the first to sentences and decide that they should spam me with hate mail calling me names so bad that if CCP read them their account would cease to exist in less than seconds.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:54:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:Sorry Atiim, but compared to chromosome, the HMG is poop status. If they could extend the optimal range to 50m, which isn't that big of a buff, the HMG would be a viable weapon. How am I supposed to suppress enemies when you can't even hit them?
What I'm trying to say is that the HMG should remain as a CQC weapon and give us more heavy weapons.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:29:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:I see youv decided to **** another group of people off now since youv been debunked, outwitted, outsmarted and just plain humiliated by tankers.
What are you talking about? The only thing tankers have told me is:
- HTFU you aren't a real tanker
- Get Good Scrub
- It should take 3 people to destroy one of me even thought that could potentially lock entire squads out of the match to deal with us
- Tanks should be the only way to destroy tanks
- AV shouldn't be as good as a tank
- We should only be able to "disable" tanks, not destroy them
Heck, the lack of competence from about 90% of them even led you to tell one of them to STFU. 
I haven't been debunked, outwitted, outsmarted, or humiliated by anyone. I just decided to leave the issue at rest, because when everyone either has PRO AV or HAVs, I'm just gonna be able to sit back and say I told you so. (And when I say everyone, I do mean everyone)
Anyways, if you think all I do is sit inside an iron box all day, then you need to get yourself checked for a brain disorder.
This thread is not about tanks. Try to stay on topic. 
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:31:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:The HMG is a CQC weapon. And it does it's job brilliantly in the right hands, leading to enemies becoming nothing but mere swiss cheese in it's optimal range.
The main problem is the fact that besides the Forge Gun, a CQC weapon is the only thing heavies have.
Do not ask to buff the HMG, simply demand that CCP releases heavy weapons.
(From my experience)
-HAND Shouldn't the roles of and HMG be squad support.... how can a heavy support their squad at 20m?
More Weapons. Which Is what I'm saying. If we buff the HMG, then what happens when mid-range heavy weapons come out?
Then you will just have a heavy version of the current Assualt Rifle. And I think we can all agree that we don't want that.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:33:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:RL heavy machine guns:
These weapons are designed to provide increased range, penetration and destructive power against vehicles, buildings, aircraft and light fortifications beyond the standard rifle calibers used in medium or general-purpose machine guns, or the intermediate cartridges used in light machine guns. In this sense, the "heavy" aspect of the weapon refers to its superior power and range over light- and medium-caliber weapons, in addition to its weight.
Yours truly
Wikipedia.
You don't want weapons in this game to perform like their real life counterparts.
Or do you think I should be able to down you with a shotgun from 60m? That would be scary.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:08:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Atiim wrote:The HMG is a CQC weapon. And it does it's job brilliantly in the right hands, leading to enemies becoming nothing but mere swiss cheese in it's optimal range.
The main problem is the fact that besides the Forge Gun, a CQC weapon is the only thing heavies have.
Do not ask to buff the HMG, simply demand that CCP releases heavy weapons.
(From my experience)
-HAND On my heavy alt I went for a one on one hmg duel, he whipped out his SMG and fked me in less than 1.5 secs, tell me that's fine. And dont say stfu get good, its getting old.
Never said STFU to anyone unless they told me or someone else to STFU.
But anyways, what SMG was it (weapon and variant); was he running damage mods? prof skills? Was he in his optlimal range? So many things to take into account there.
But again look at it from a realistic perspective. If we get a range buff then what happens when they introduce a mid-range heavy weapon? Would CCP think, "Oh heavies are just fine now that we gave the HMGs more range, they won't need new weapons for a while".
But on the plus side, heavies were promised new weapons. SoonGäó
But on the negative side, I need to save SP so I can test that combat and rail rifle.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 03:10:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Atiim wrote:MassiveNine wrote:Sorry Atiim, but compared to chromosome, the HMG is poop status. If they could extend the optimal range to 50m, which isn't that big of a buff, the HMG would be a viable weapon. How am I supposed to suppress enemies when you can't even hit them? What I'm trying to say is that the HMG should remain as a CQC weapon and give us more heavy weapons. The Gallente Heavy Weapon will be shorter range than the HMG. The Amarr Laser cannon will have a longer range.
I hope the Amarr laser weapon is not a simple re-incarnation of the normal laser rifle.
But what scares me most about Amarr heavy weapons is the fact that they are just now being created, even though Amarr heavy dropsuits have been the only heavies in the entire game for months now.
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:09:00 -
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MCEINSTEIN08 wrote:Atiim wrote:The HMG is a CQC weapon. And it does it's job brilliantly in the right hands, leading to enemies becoming nothing but mere swiss cheese in it's optimal range.
The main problem is the fact that besides the Forge Gun, a CQC weapon is the only thing heavies have.
Do not ask to buff the HMG, simply demand that CCP releases heavy weapons.
(From my experience)
-HAND I think it is wrong when I have a Heavy dropsuit with cumulated 1400 Shield/Armor with HMG Third Tier, with 2 Enhance Damage modules (2x +5% Damage), and I loose vs a Scout with Shot gun. All they need to do is hop around and I can't even scratch them. Sorry, not quite right to me.
That doesn't equate to 10% damage because of stacking penalties.
17-20 HP of damage with a complex damage mod is around an extra 1.7-2.0 HP of damage. Sure your DPS will increase but in the long run you are better off putting something else in your high slots.
All anyone with a scout suit has to do is jump behind and around people and thier dead. Until they spray and pray with Duvolles.
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:10:00 -
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TuFar Gon wrote:My hmg is nearly maxed,,lvl 5 operation, lvl 5 prof. My ar skill is only lvl 8,,and its MUCH EASIER TO USE. Believe me, the hmg is NOT FINE,tbh I dont even use it anymore.
I said the HMG is fine as a CQC weapon. It falls flat on it's face anywhere else.
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:35:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:Atiim wrote:Never said STFU to anyone unless they told me or someone else to STFU. But anyways, what SMG was it (weapon and variant); was he running damage mods? prof skills? Was he in his optlimal range? So many things to take into account there. But again look at it from a realistic perspective. If we get a range buff then what happens when they introduce a mid-range heavy weapon? Would CCP think, "Oh heavies are just fine now that we gave the HMGs more range, they won't need new weapons for a while". But on the plus side, heavies were promised new weapons. SoonGäó But on the negative side, I need to save SP so I can test that combat and rail rifle. As those who read the forum a lot know, I almost never say something like this, butGǪ Atiim, you are an idiot! The SMGGÇÖs optimal range is also the HMGGÇÖs optimal range. The Laser Canon will not be a mid range weapon. It will likely have a range closer to 80m. The Gallente heavy weapon will be shorter range than the HMG. The HMG IS the mid range Heavy weapon. Do some research! Making minor adjustments to the HMG will not effect the timing of the release of other weapons.
The HMG may be designed as a mid range weapon, but in it's current state could you really call it anything but CQC?
The heavy laser is going to be long range, when have I said it's not?
HMGs and SMGs share the same optimal range? Tell that to the sorry suckers I've sprayed and prayed with an MZ209.
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Posted - 2013.11.08 14:43:00 -
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chase rowland wrote:Atiim wrote:The HMG is a CQC weapon. And it does it's job brilliantly in the right hands, leading to enemies becoming nothing but mere swiss cheese in it's optimal range.
The main problem is the fact that besides the Forge Gun, a CQC weapon is the only thing heavies have.
Do not ask to buff the HMG, simply demand that CCP releases heavy weapons.
(From my experience)
-HAND sorry Atiim, this isnt AR514. HMG is UP, no question about it. use something besides an AR and you will figure out how imbalanced the game is.
Oh you poor misguided thing....
I don't use ARs.
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