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Yun Hee Ryeon
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Posted - 2013.11.05 17:38:00 -
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Most of us are under a lot of pressure, Mr. Jones-- psychological torque, I'd even say. It sort of comes with the territory. Fractures resulting from that are something to manage, not something to be ashamed and defensive about. |
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Posted - 2013.11.06 17:01:00 -
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Foley Jones wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Don't mind them. They tell me I'm insane too. But I'm not. I'm not!
I'M REALLY REALLY NOT! Finally someone who understand s me! Yeah we are not insane at all! We jusy perhaps do ahnormal things but we are sane!
Respectfully, Mr. Jones, if that is the person you're looking at as the "someone" who understands you, you're identifying yourself with either a compulsive liar or a first-gen who's going 514 by the most traditional method.
Neither option is stable ground. |
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Posted - 2013.11.10 16:38:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Got a problem with first gens? Got a problem with OG1G's, Original Gallante 1st generations?
So typical of a Caldari to label others. smh.
Yes, I have a problem with 1st Gens, soldier. They do things like carve the giblets out of their comrades for no apparent reason, obsessively scribble all over the barrack walls, and go semi-permanently AWOL before, maybe, eventually, resurfacing in disturbing circumstances.
I do not have a problem with former 1st Gens, who've gotten that all-important hardware upgrade and generally sought help. Our friend Steadyhand, for example, seems to have gotten such help as the Empress offered.
Good for him. Good for the Empire. Good for us.
You, on the other hand, are either an untreated 1st Gen, or, more likely, a pathological liar. Neither is a strong recommendation. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:23:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Are you accusing me of something?
I am at the very least suggesting that you are likely a compulsive liar, so, yes. Or something very close to it. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:16:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Caldari, always the instigator.
Gallante, not swinging first, but always swinging last.
I'm an Achur, soldier, not Caldari.
Regardless, I look forward to seeing what you consider an appropriate response. |
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Posted - 2013.11.12 06:35:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:I'd hardly call it an argument as much as the meaningless babble of an idiot and the misguided attempts of a fellow countryman to silence it.
Fae-haan,
You seem to have forgotten some of what you know about my nature, lately.
Though his prattle is a little irritating, I know perfectly well that he's not going to shut up. He's probably not a first-gen, but there might be something to learn here, even so. He's a miserable fool, but it's rare to run into someone who's actually boring.
I'm just poking him and seeing whether anything more engaging than a long series of half-witted misstatements will come of it. |
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:45:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:And me without my therapist lounge chair.
Therapist? No, dear, no.
Think of this more as being accosted by a fellow asylum inmate with a taste for picking other residents apart to find out how they tick-- and who's been getting bored lately.
On which note: why would you even want to be first-gen? They all got either upgraded or terminated with extreme prejudice, and most of the survivors don't seem to look back on that time with any fondness. The Gallente, as I understand it, exterminated virtually all of theirs (though Mordu's Legion may have had something to say about that).
It's not like it's some sort of pedigree; if anything, it's like jumping up and down yelling, "Hey, defective equipment, right here!"
It's about as sexy as an alpha software build riddled data-corrupting bugs. |
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Posted - 2013.11.16 17:30:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Why act like one of those weakling mortals? We are not humans. We are Mercenaries. Be strong, Foley Jones, you are not insane, my friend. The insane ones are the ones calling us humans.
Hm. The question of whether the clone soldier infomorph is a human being is ultimately the question of what a "human" is.
It's rather open to interpretation, but what's really significant is that the question can be reasonably asked in good faith. It's not asked only to undercut or dehumanize us-- it's a real question.
The answer may matter less than the question does. |
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:52:00 -
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Mr. Jones,
If you and Fae-haan can stop sparring for a moment, something you may wish to consider.
Sanity, being subjective, is normally judged by distance from base-line normal thought. The more you think like an ordinary, workaday human being, the saner you are judged to be.
By this standard, I, myself, am not particularly sane. I feel little empathy for most people, I'm capable of treating cold-blooded murder with equanimity, most of my moral considerations are focused on ensuring my personal survival, and I'm capable of sacrificing hundreds or thousands of lives to my sense of aesthetics. Like Ms. Askarii suggests, people typically are what they are, and obey the call of their nature; I am no different.
There is another way of judging sanity, however, which is the distance of a person's perception from objective reality. It seems as though that is what you mean when you say that you are more sane than those around you. If you are correct, if you are indeed sane to the point of embracing bitter reality when others wrap themselves in comforting illusion, then you may be aberrant in a way similar to how I am.
Horribly, horribly sane.
I hope that is not the case; it is not a pleasant or maybe even useful (perhaps even particularly enlightened or enlightening) way to be. Worse, it would imply that clone soldiers generally are perhaps subject to the sickness I suffer from. Perhaps I am not unusual. That would be a problem.
I suggest you to avoid this kind of sanity if you can. It is better to be a little mad, but functional, even useful, than sane, and a blight. |
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Posted - 2013.11.18 06:15:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:You.guys could.just stop cloning yourselves and finally step out. I doubt many would notice, or even care.
The Caldari believe that life is a series of trials. Even if Fae-haan looks forward to one day joining his ancestors, he's unlikely to rush the meeting as long as he has a measure of honor to keep (whether he cares to use that word for it or no). To do so is to give up, to admit that you are too weak to survive in a world built to test you.
Disappointing the people whose legacy you represent is a pleasant thought to few. Would you want to spend your afterlife as an embarrassment? |
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Posted - 2013.11.18 14:58:00 -
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Galm Fae wrote:Credit where it is due, that analysis would probably fit just fine for a case study of most of my countrymen. For me however, it isn't just seated in my ancestral roots. I endure this existence because I rather enjoy it sometimes. I'm good at what I do, and it pays well. Certainly a few months ago I would have insisted I only continued down this path because I have no where else to go, but as of recently things just seem... Some much more certain.
There's pain in this existence, but that doesn't devalue the wonders that come with it. Yet at the same time, the power of being immortal doesn't devalue the emotions that make me (at least believe that I'm) human.
Considering the amount of work you put into that temple complex of yours, Fae-haan, I hope you will forgive me for presuming you to be at least a touch religious. Motives are rarely simple, but explanations frequently have to be; mine was never going to be a complete explanation.
Neither, I suspect, is yours?
Leithe Askarii wrote:The best I can hope for is a noble way to die. If I cared for what the ghosts of our people thought about my life I suppose I would struggle more to live productively....however time and time again, New Eden has proven to me that many things that are are, and cannot be changed.
If I can die nobly then perhaps it would not matter how I lived, only that I died for something more than Crystal Egg and the blissful reprieve it brings from an otherwise bleak existence.
A fish is a fish, a bird a bird, but a sick bird might become well again. Many of those who become dependent on boosters of one sort or another find their way back to health, Askarii-haani.
Of course, I do wonder how long it will be before medical-grade combat boosters become part of our arsenal; they're already available to capsuleers. Hm. Perhaps our biotic modules already do that as much as it's likely to be done? |
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Posted - 2013.12.06 17:19:00 -
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Mistaahh Juvenile wrote:Pff.. Exactly what was achieved with this conversation?
Well ... really, this was just a beginning.
There's a question that is going to become more pressing on us in the years ahead: should we still try to think and act like "normal human beings"? That's largely the question at stake, here. Once, I would have said no-- that we should act like ourselves, and set the typical clone soldier as our accepted standard of "normality."
Sadly, that does not seem to be a viable approach, at least not for those of us who still have a choice in the matter. It leads to alienation from our societies, which may be acceptable if we have somewhere else to go. Otherwise ... it is likely to lead to being decommissioned early. |
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