DUST Search - IS this game worth playing again?

ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Please don't talk about IGN while attempting to make a valid point.

The argument essentially boils down to "I have an opinion, but it's not a very strong one so here is somebody elses".

On top of that I've worked for IGN in the past and I will tell you from first hand experience they believe wholeheartedly that it is their job to advertise the games they get early review copies of. They only give a bad score to publishers they either receive minimal compensation from, or a game that is so bad that it invokes a visceral reaction from the reviewer.

In the case of Dust, they aren't particularly worried about any blowback from CCP. Pissing off EA is an entirely different ballgame.

Pissing off EA is one of CCP's favorite past times.

http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/03/ea_pulls_plug_o.html

http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/press-releases/earth-and-beyond-users-offered-an-upgrade-to-eve-online-1/

Doesn't explain why CCP hired Jean-Charles Gaudechon who was an EA scumbag prior to moving to CCP...


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Quidam Brujah Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.11.05 08:13:00 - [1] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Maybe ask again in a month. If you left in the last 2-3 months. Right now apparently we're better than Battlefield 4. BF3 vet here. Played BF4. Can confirm. BFBC2 & BF3 vet here. In my opinion, here's what Dust has over BF4: skill trees. And that's it. BF4 isn't trying to be a long-term, ever evolving, MMORPG. BF4 has amazing visuals and graphics. Dust gameplay looks and feels like a 3-year old FPS. BF3 has better playability than Dust. Why do I say that? If one of the benefits of Dust is supposed to be the ever evolving and improving game, why are fewer and fewer people playing it? It's not a coincidence that you keep running into the same people grinding away. Look here: http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust Now compare that to here: http://bf3stats.com/servers/all For BF3 to be a 'less epic' game that is now 2-years old, it's still getting over 10,000 players in the wee hours of the morning in the States. And while I may not have the business savvy that CCP does, I'm not sure how a shrinking active player base is a sustainable business model in a platform environment. Seems more like a boat anchor around the neck of the EVE-side of the house. As for the above posted BF4 review, while the screechy voiceover was enough to make me stop watching, I turned down the volume and continued. The 'selective editing' really didn't do justice and to call it a 'review' is laughable. If you want a better review wherein you can at least use the same set of standards (the 'nerd' guy doesn't 'review' Dust, but it would be interesting to see him do it, I suppose) compare these two reviews: IGN review of Dust: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/05/29/dust-514-video-review IGN review of BF4: http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/10/29/battlefield-4-review-pc-360-ps3 I think the reviews are pretty spot-on and I would also give Dust about a 5 and BF4 (based on the beta) an 8. So, say what you will about BF4 but, my experience with the beta was largely positive. I think it far more likely that both the release of the PS3 version of BF4 and the PS4 version of BF4 are going to peel off a measurable amount of Dust players than any evolutionary (rather than revolutionary) improvements in the game or other 'welcome back' gimmicks that CCP might offer will have. My proof? Look at the eve-offline stats for the last week. Immediate drop after BF4 release. True, a minor bump up over the weekend. But continue to watch those stats and I think we'll see a continued drop. And watch those numbers in the next 10-12 days and see what happens with the PS4 release. So, if you really want to see Dust improve and not be abandoned, everyone here better start telling everyone else how awesome Dust is so those numbers start climbing or there may not be a Dust to 'come back to' in 3-6 months. At least, not if you don't like getting proto-stomped in pub matches because that's all that will be left playing of the thousand or so players.
Quidam Brujah Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:29:00 - [2] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Please don't talk about IGN while attempting to make a valid point. The argument essentially boils down to "I have an opinion, but it's not a very strong one so here is somebody elses". On top of that I've worked for IGN in the past and I will tell you from first hand experience they believe wholeheartedly that it is their job to advertise the games they get early review copies of. They only give a bad score to publishers they either receive minimal compensation from, or a game that is so bad that it invokes a visceral reaction from the reviewer. In the case of Dust, they aren't particularly worried about any blowback from CCP. Pissing off EA is an entirely different ballgame. No, the argument essentially boils down to "a crappy non-review of BF4 doesn't mean that Dust is actually better." I was trying to give an apples-to-apples comparison. I'm sure they are biased. Did you actually take the time to look at the two videos? Did you really listen to the critiques? Your reply is to essentially shoot the messenger. I'd rather read some insightful response actually addressing the criticisms if you care to do that.
Quidam Brujah Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2013.11.05 09:50:00 - [3] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Please don't talk about IGN while attempting to make a valid point. The argument essentially boils down to "I have an opinion, but it's not a very strong one so here is somebody elses". On top of that I've worked for IGN in the past and I will tell you from first hand experience they believe wholeheartedly that it is their job to advertise the games they get early review copies of. They only give a bad score to publishers they either receive minimal compensation from, or a game that is so bad that it invokes a visceral reaction from the reviewer. In the case of Dust, they aren't particularly worried about any blowback from CCP. Pissing off EA is an entirely different ballgame. Pissing off EA is one of CCP's favorite past times. http://alphavilleherald.com/2004/03/ea_pulls_plug_o.html http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/press-releases/earth-and-beyond-users-offered-an-upgrade-to-eve-online-1/ Doesn't explain why CCP hired Jean-Charles Gaudechon who was an EA scumbag prior to moving to CCP... I think Himiko was writing that IGN doesn't mind pissing off CCP but they are worried about pissing off EA. But, the central tenet to his(?) argument is that I shouldn't reference IGN because they are not credible due to how they favor EA. There may be some bias towards EA on IGN's part however, that's like saying ZDNet only gives Apple products good reviews because they're 'in the tank' for them when it might actually be that they have good, reliable products that people want to buy. I mean, have you looked at EA's game lineup? It's not like they have many dogs in there, they tend to play it safe. It's not like they're putting out a bunch of 'Fast & Furious: Showdown' or 'Aliens: Colonial Marines' titles.