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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:02:00 -
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seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
379
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:05:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game.
simply put, no.
there will always be redline thale snipers and all of us hate them. but in reality, we are just fueling them to do it more to troll us.
best bet is to ignore it, and take every proto suit lost to a militia redline sniper with a grain of salt...
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles
17
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:08:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game. simply put, no. there will always be redline thale snipers and all of us hate them. but in reality, we are just fueling them to do it more to troll us. best bet is to ignore it, and take every proto suit lost to a militia redline sniper with a grain of salt...
I am just tired of it makes the game way less fun. |
trraacx
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:09:00 -
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I doubt it, it isn't a factor for me. I'm tempting every now and then after being dovoulded for the 8th time but can't handle the boredom.
I rarely get Thaled anymore and when I do it is just a reminder to keep moving. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
379
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:12:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game. simply put, no. there will always be redline thale snipers and all of us hate them. but in reality, we are just fueling them to do it more to troll us. best bet is to ignore it, and take every proto suit lost to a militia redline sniper with a grain of salt... I am just tired of it makes the game way less fun.
sadly it does, and It stops me from running proto scout because lolOHK from an untouchable enemy.
now we wait for the redline snipers to tell us that our argument is invalid 
How exactly does a Biscuit gain Valor?
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
177
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:15:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game.
Maybe kill/death ratio should be replaced with kill/death/distance ratio (KDDR), which is kills/deaths/combined distance of kills, e.g.
10 kills at average distance of 25 metres with 2 deaths = 10/2/250 = 0.02 KDDR
10 kills at average distance of 250 metres with 1 death = 0.004 KDDR
Would soon put paid to redline sniping... |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
816
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:27:00 -
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taking away some random number won't make anyone grow a pair. |
KA24DERT
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
231
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:37:00 -
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low genius wrote:taking away some random number won't make anyone grow a pair.
Basically.
The presence and prominence of the KD stat in this game actually helps differentiate the kill-whores from the strategists, by virtue of how often they brag about KD. |
Sleepy Zan
2706
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:44:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:Grease Spillett wrote:seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game. simply put, no. there will always be redline thale snipers and all of us hate them. but in reality, we are just fueling them to do it more to troll us. best bet is to ignore it, and take every proto suit lost to a militia redline sniper with a grain of salt...
Free kills is all it is, as long as there are people who want free kills there will always be redline snipes.
A good sniper doesn't provide battlefield intelligence, a good sniper leaves no intelligence left on the battlefield
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1018
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:45:00 -
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During the Closed Beta, I lobbied for KDR to be ignored in favor of pure ISK efficiency.
I was shouted down by the same FPS monkeys who play other FPS now and only troll the Dust forums or circlejerk in PC.
I am betting that if we had ISK efficiency rather than KDR, we wouldn't have all of the protobears that people ***** about. People would be more encouraged to use cheaper gear, saving PRO for FW/PC.
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives....
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Sleepy Zan
2706
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Posted - 2013.11.04 16:52:00 -
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Alaika Arbosa wrote:During the Closed Beta, I lobbied for KDR to be ignored in favor of pure ISK efficiency.
I was shouted down by the same FPS monkeys who play other FPS now and only troll the Dust forums or circlejerk in PC.
I am betting that if we had ISK efficiency rather than KDR, we wouldn't have all of the protobears that people ***** about. People would be more encouraged to use cheaper gear, saving PRO for FW/PC.
Nope, people will still love the satisfaction o being an unstoppable force, whoopin blueberry ass, try again.
A good sniper doesn't provide battlefield intelligence, a good sniper leaves no intelligence left on the battlefield
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1018
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Posted - 2013.11.04 17:13:00 -
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Sleepy Zan wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:During the Closed Beta, I lobbied for KDR to be ignored in favor of pure ISK efficiency.
I was shouted down by the same FPS monkeys who play other FPS now and only troll the Dust forums or circlejerk in PC.
I am betting that if we had ISK efficiency rather than KDR, we wouldn't have all of the protobears that people ***** about. People would be more encouraged to use cheaper gear, saving PRO for FW/PC. Nope, people will still love the satisfaction o being an unstoppable force, whoopin blueberry ass, try again.
Easy to say since we have KDR...
Only way to know for sure is to do the swap.....
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives....
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
492
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Posted - 2013.11.04 17:23:00 -
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Only way to get rid of redline snipers is to not give warpoints for killing someone in the field of battle if the kill shot is from behind the redline. So if you want to rack up kills behind the redline feel free just no WP and SP. They will quickly find sniper spots in the field of battle or quit, either way less redline snipers. |
Auris Lionesse
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:30:00 -
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I'd like to see an isk destroyed/ isk lost stat.
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles
1798
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:32:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game.
No grease. 
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Cosgar
ParagonX
7245
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:38:00 -
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KDR promotes boosting, cheap tactics, and abuse of broken game mechanics. Not just in Dusr, but every FPS. Good thing WP takes priority over it on match leaderboards. Play the objective, support your team if you're logistics and laugh at the tryhards from above as you collect I bigger portion of the battle earnings.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Knight Soiaire
R 0 N 1 N
2987
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Posted - 2013.11.04 18:41:00 -
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People will still be able to check their K/D from their kills and deaths. So removing it wont do much good.
It should just be more risky for Thale's snipers (Or any sniper) to snipe from the redline.
Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days
Save General John Ripper!
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Kahn Zo
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
52
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:03:00 -
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I am so new, 2mil sp,
and a scout,
I do not even chase my KDR.
Totally pointless in my case at this time.
I am a AR relish tray.
You deserve what you tolerate
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Gawen Eadan
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
29
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:11:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Only way to get rid of redline snipers is to not give warpoints for killing someone in the field of battle if the kill shot is from behind the redline. So if you want to rack up kills behind the redline feel free just no WP and SP. They will quickly find sniper spots in the field of battle or quit, either way less redline snipers.
I like it, but we all know they would cry and moan about it till the end of time, even if this version redline sniping would still make clone count wins viable, increasing their W/L ratio. This would also make the game extremely unejoyable if you got redlined and couldn't leave.
If there was a hindrance on the points however, not sure if it would make the coding easier on ccp than a "null zone", but it would stop people from crying about it as much. For an example, half WP and SP gained behind redline, for both parties, this solves spawn camping the line if you kill anyone behind it, or while you're behind it. The solution would make it so even if the enemy team was going for a win instead of points, which they would get less money out of it, and even if you lost with a couple kills fending off these redline campers, you would get still get paid too, making your loss not as crushing of a defeat. While smart reddots would let you get out of the spawn, this would also stress the bluedots to push out instead of sitting back and working with the cover they have, making more interesting fights. |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
67
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:19:00 -
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Removing KDR wonGÇÖt have any effect on how people play the game. However, a robust statistical system that allows you more ways to parse data would make it easier to make meaningful comparisons between individuals. Note, I play primarily as a sniper, but IGÇÖm only the distant jerk with a Thales in PC matches. Otherwise, IGÇÖm about 150m from the action making the enemy uncomfortable and providing a well-defended, uplink and hive laden fallback position. I donGÇÖt really get the antipathy towards snipers. Either they are bad at their job and are pretty much meaningless (except by wasting a roster spot)or they are good at their job and deserving of some combination of loathing and respect.
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Cy Clone1
Cy CL0Ne 1
312
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Posted - 2013.11.04 19:35:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:seriously I am sure if that goes redline sniper blues and reds will get in the game.
umm no!!!
It's over 9000!
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Ryme Intrinseca
Seraphim Auxiliaries
181
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Posted - 2013.11.04 20:25:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Only way to get rid of redline snipers is to not give warpoints for killing someone in the field of battle if the kill shot is from behind the redline. So if you want to rack up kills behind the redline feel free just no WP and SP. They will quickly find sniper spots in the field of battle or quit, either way less redline snipers.
There should be no time-in-battle SP or ISK for time spent behind the redline either. No employer would pay a merc for skulking in or around the MCC. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
2008
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Posted - 2013.11.04 20:26:00 -
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A quick placeholder fix to the redline would be to eliminate WP for actions performed within it.
But I think we should have as many stats as possible. If people care about that stuff let them. Even I like to check that stuff sometimes, and my figures are rubbish.
No.
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
844
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Posted - 2013.11.04 20:28:00 -
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All that matters is kills and WP's. Also I use a Thale, not to troll but to kill as many of you as I can while I watch you scurry like ants.
Do not eat the yellow snow
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