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Sanguine 27
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:52:00 -
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The Scrambler Pistol and Scrambler Rifle, they both use the exact method to fire rounds down range yet there's no charge variant on the pistol.
As there's almost no difference in stats and kill potential between the standard and assault versions other than a very slight increase to rate of fire. Why not get rid of the assault and add a charge variant that has NO 400% damage increase for headshots
I'd like this charge version to work in the exact same manner as the Scrambler Rifle. (single shot + hold to charge)
The charge's single shot should do less damage than the standard Scrambler pistol, but with the obvious damage increase if you take the time to charge before firing. Also an overheat feature would be required for balancing reasons.
The charged pistol would be some what similar to the breach variant but with higher rates of fire for less overall damage at the same time as having more damage output with lower rates of fire than the Breach. Higher CPU/PG requirements and Isk cost should be added as specialized weapons tend to be this way.
(Also why is there no breach or burst variants at the Proto tier. Unless you're going to get into the pistols proficiency skill there's almost no reason to go above operation level 4, except for an extra round in your magazine.)
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Sanguine 27
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:59:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:So, it charges, has heat build-up, and doesn't get a massive headshot modifier?
I hate to break it to you, but that's not a Scrambler Pistol anymore, it's just a tiny Scrambler Rifle.
They are the same type of guns remember, seems strange that they don't both have this in the first place
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Sanguine 27
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:08:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Sanguine 27 wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:So, it charges, has heat build-up, and doesn't get a massive headshot modifier?
I hate to break it to you, but that's not a Scrambler Pistol anymore, it's just a tiny Scrambler Rifle. They are the same type of guns remember, seems strange that they don't both have this in the first place Yeah, and the Rail Rifle is the same type of gun as the Sniper Rifle, but I sure as hell hope they don't act the same.
But they will act the same, the rail rifle will just be a shorter range sniper (DMR) with the ability to auto fire and have less damage output (hopefully  )
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Sanguine 27
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Posted - 2013.11.04 12:24:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Sanguine 27 wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:Sanguine 27 wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:So, it charges, has heat build-up, and doesn't get a massive headshot modifier?
I hate to break it to you, but that's not a Scrambler Pistol anymore, it's just a tiny Scrambler Rifle. They are the same type of guns remember, seems strange that they don't both have this in the first place Yeah, and the Rail Rifle is the same type of gun as the Sniper Rifle, but I sure as hell hope they don't act the same. But they will act the same, the rail rifle will just be a shorter range sniper (DMR) with the ability to auto fire and have less damage output (hopefully ) No, that's not what the Rail Rifle is. Even the Tactical Rail Rifle won't be all that similar to the Sniper Rifle. Your "Charge Scrambler Pistol", on the other hand, works exactly the same as the Scrambler Rifle. Both are semi-automatic, but are both able to fire many shots in quick succession. Both have heat build-up. Both can be charged to increase damage, and neither have ridiculous headshot modifiers (though almost all weapons have a headshot modifier, even standard Assault Rifles). The only differences I can see are damage, ammo capacity and range.
Hence it being a scrambler pistol, a down scaled version of the scrambler rifle (all the same functions in a smaller package)
And the Tactical Assault rifle is a small version of a sniper rifle, its a DMR a Designated Marksmen Rifle. And the Tactical Assault Rifle is a place holder for the Rail Rifle. Hence the Rail Rifle is a scaled down Sniper Rifle with Auto fire
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Sanguine 27
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Posted - 2013.11.04 13:27:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Sanguine 27 wrote:Hence it being a scrambler pistol, a down scaled version of the scrambler rifle (all the same functions in a smaller package) Uh, no... that's not how that works. Use your imagination you know it be true Sanguine 27 wrote:And the Tactical Assault rifle is a small version of a sniper rifle, its a DMR a Designated Marksmen Rifle. Actually, it's still an Assault Rifle, it's just semi-automatic. A DMR it is not. An M16 assullt rifle with a 4x ACOG scope used by an infantrymen to fire on targets beyond the range of 300m is classed as a DMR as he is classed as the designated marksmen of his squad. In game the Tac AR is used to take on targets at longer ranges than the AR using its magnified scope. Making it the equivalent of a real world DMR Sanguine 27 wrote:And the Tactical Assault Rifle is a place holder for the Rail Rifle. Wrong again. The Rail Rifle is Breach, not Tactical. You are right here, I got this mixed up due to similarities with the Rail Sniper Rifle Sanguine 27 wrote:Hence the Rail Rifle is a scaled down Sniper Rifle with Auto fire No, no it is not. That doesn't even make sense.
This does make sense my friend, as the Rail Rifle's optimal range is the same as the Scrambler Rifle (Tactical) yet its effective range reaches out further than any other Rifle. This range makes it as much of a DMR as the Scrambler but with Auto fire added in, hence the reason for me saying the Rail Rifle is a scaled down sniper rifle. (When I say scaled down I mean in terms of range and damage)
Link to rifle range comparisons: http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65234/1/rifleranges17.jpg
Anyway this conversation has gone far from its purpose, which was to ask CCP to add more content to its game. Adding to it's fun and enjoyment. If you do have more counter arguments to make know that I'm of to do something else with my day but will check up on this thread at a later date. Its been a pleasure but goodbye for now
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Sanguine 27
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Posted - 2013.11.04 13:30:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Isn't CCP planning on adding a Gallente Ion Pistol that has a charge functionality?
I didn't know this so thanks for telling. Although its going to be a sod having to skill into another weapon just for one feature
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