I don't know anyone who thinks they need removal.

Agreed to a certain limit...

But i feel BPO's are heavily saturated right now and there need to be a way to lower them. T2 BPO's in EVE were no where near as easy to get as BPO's are in Dust.

I feel a Optional trade-in system to get rid of BPO's would help lower the amount of BPO's in stock.
Trade in a milita BPO and get a 1 week active booster
Trade in a standard BPO get a 2 week active booster or an omega.

T2 BPOs were a good bit more game breaking than current BPOs.

If you were smart enough to run some R&D agents in the beginning, you had a good chance to get an in-game item that could ensure that Eve became a free-to-play game for the rest of time. These were isk printing machines for the (at-the-time) most expensive ships in the game. Some of these items are so insanely good that you can still expect someone to pay the equivalent of $2,000+ (80 bil isk) for them.

CCP left those in-game.

Doesn't change the fact that BPOs in Dust are nothing like Eve ones, exactly what am I using to make all these suits and LAV's. They are literally manufactured by toons with no skill to do so, using no resources. They may be tied to characters, but they still don't make any sense. You can say all you want about T2 they still required resources, they can still be copied be we can also make copies of them now too so who cares. I don't care if they stay in but I would at least like them to make sense in the larger scale of the game...

Well, more accurately, their impact in fights may be minimal, but their impacts on anyone who sells them will be massive.

I don't know if I think they need to be removed. I would like that they become eve-bpo's for those suits so I can produce them.

Even though I agreed to the terms and conditions that said they can.

You know a EULA can not make you give up your actual legal rights don't you? Just do a google search for judges throwing out EULAs.

What you claim is that if I bought lets say, The Last of Us DLC, and then Sony suddenly changed their mind and removed that DLC, that would be cool?

Seriously, stop crying. People payed real life money for a product advertised as a PERMANENT ITEM that doesn't go away when you die. Blame CCP for thier short-sightedness not the people who payed money to help keep this free game free.

You are assuming that we will never get a Bill of Materials for our BPOs.

If that happens, CCP either needs to rerelease BPOs to the market or there will be a small cabal of early adopters that will dominate the market.

I have a complete set of BPO's, I don't remember seeing anything about "no strings attached"

a bill of materials would lend consistency too, it is already a precedent set in New Eden.

No, actually I'm not, I've been arguing for the inclusion of a bill of materials since day one. It only makes sense since BPOs in Eve have them, they are both set in the same setting so consistency demands a Bill of Materials no matter how badly you want your lazy, easymode option.

If they decide that it should be the other way, I'm fine with that too, I'll take my free battleships and capitals.

I think the best part about this argument is, that the people that have multiples of BPOs are also the people that roll out in full proto for every pub match.

Just because the BPO has a Bill of Materials, does not mean it isn't inexhaustible. You never lose the BPO, you simply need to feed it with the right stuff to make more of the item.

Never need to restock the BPO unless you want to run more concurrent manufacturing lines.

BPOs by nature are inexhaustible, otherwise they would be BPCs.

The removal of BPOs is good for the growth of the game.

Currently payouts in pub matches are based on ISK lost meaning BPOS are making it tough for new players to move up the ladder without running out of ISK due to ****** payouts in pub matches. Sure, I would rather not see them go either but as long as they dont fux with the ones in my inventory then I am fine with it. As new players who do not have BPOs move into the game ISK payouts in pub matches will grow making it easier for those same players to level up to better equipment leading to more useful salvage as well.

Making players more likely to want to get to higher equipment is good for us and good for CCP.


And as far as the math of it not hurting the economy, lets say a player running a dragonfly suit and toxin AR dies 10 times.

With the BPOs he loses 35k isk thanks to the basic modules and side arms in those 10 deaths.
Without BPOs that number could easily be 70k isk in those 10 deaths.

Take 10 total players in a pub match that average out to those numbers and automatically you have 350k more isk in the prize pool at the end of the match. That can easily mean 30k more isk per match for the top 5 players on a team who then have that money to buy one more advanced suit per match, which then grows the isk pool even more until the point where even the players at the bottom of the losing team are seeing significant increases in their payouts.

Well I didn't use an economic argument, I stated they don't fit consistently in the EVE universe. Now please enlighten me as to how they do, without shouting "because I ******* paid for them and thats how they should stay". I also support full aurum refund for all items when they are eventually are removed, because I ******* paid for them lol. I just want consistency in the universe, not to rob you of items.

Now here is my prediction, ALL ITEMS WILL BE LOCKED TO CHARACTERS ONCE P2P MARKET IS OPEN. This is the only way we can eventually merge the markets. We cannot have one BPO that does one thing, and another that does the same thing but has no material cost if used by a Dust toon. So abandon all your hope of making a ton of isk by selling your BPO's, as I assume this is why you don't want to see them removed, that isn't going to happen per my prediction.

You are the only player of this game, therefore my logic does not work.
Thanks for the correction, I always forget to account for that one guy the universe I live in revolves around when talking.