DUST Search - to all the people who think BPOs need removal

deezy dabest wrote:

The removal of BPOs is good for the growth of the game.

Currently payouts in pub matches are based on ISK lost meaning BPOS are making it tough for new players to move up the ladder without running out of ISK due to ****** payouts in pub matches. Sure, I would rather not see them go either but as long as they dont fux with the ones in my inventory then I am fine with it. As new players who do not have BPOs move into the game ISK payouts in pub matches will grow making it easier for those same players to level up to better equipment leading to more useful salvage as well.

Making players more likely to want to get to higher equipment is good for us and good for CCP.

And as far as the math of it not hurting the economy, lets say a player running a dragonfly suit and toxin AR dies 10 times.

With the BPOs he loses 35k isk thanks to the basic modules and side arms in those 10 deaths.
Without BPOs that number could easily be 70k isk in those 10 deaths.

Take 10 total players in a pub match that average out to those numbers and automatically you have 350k more isk in the prize pool at the end of the match. That can easily mean 30k more isk per match for the top 5 players on a team who then have that money to buy one more advanced suit per match, which then grows the isk pool even more until the point where even the players at the bottom of the losing team are seeing significant increases in their payouts.


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Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 884	Posted - 2013.11.04 02:23:00 - [1] - Quote BPOs are militia and standard grade gear and thus are not competitive with advanced or prototype gear. Sure, you can stomp in them. If you fitted higher level gear, you'd stomp even easier. It's not like militia and standard gear is expensive, if you want to run it to save ISK. The only advantage to running BPOs is saving ISK. That's it. If you use all militia gear, your suit might cost 5-7k. Maybe 10k as a logistics. If you die 3 times in an Ambush, which is the average when your team loses in a 50 clone fight, you would've lost 15-30k in gear. It's not a lot of loses and not worth paying a lot of ISK to mitigate when you can just buy copies of the gear. Really, I would only ever buy BPOs of things I fit multiple of on a suit, since that multiplies the savings, such as armor plates. I'd still only pay a couple million ISK for such a BPO, because I'm still only saving 1-2k ISK a life. LAV BPOs are obviously worth a lot more. Things like weapons aren't worth it most of the time, once they hit tens of millions. Of course, if you resell for the same price, which isn't very difficult, then you mitigate the investment and turn a pure profit. At that point, they are obviously worth it at any price you can afford to pay as long as you can sell it to someone else. Really, I don't think they would make the market implode or anything. BPOs right now will make themselves rare by the fact that no more are being sold. Some of the players with them won't be playing years from now. Many of the rest will find permanent homes with collectors. A small amount will be left floating around and a couple hundred players will have a few million spare ISK from their gear cost savings. It's not a big deal. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 884	Posted - 2013.11.04 02:31:00 - [2] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The removal of BPOs is good for the growth of the game. Currently payouts in pub matches are based on ISK lost meaning BPOS are making it tough for new players to move up the ladder without running out of ISK due to ****** payouts in pub matches. Sure, I would rather not see them go either but as long as they dont fux with the ones in my inventory then I am fine with it. As new players who do not have BPOs move into the game ISK payouts in pub matches will grow making it easier for those same players to level up to better equipment leading to more useful salvage as well. Making players more likely to want to get to higher equipment is good for us and good for CCP. And as far as the math of it not hurting the economy, lets say a player running a dragonfly suit and toxin AR dies 10 times. With the BPOs he loses 35k isk thanks to the basic modules and side arms in those 10 deaths. Without BPOs that number could easily be 70k isk in those 10 deaths. Take 10 total players in a pub match that average out to those numbers and automatically you have 350k more isk in the prize pool at the end of the match. That can easily mean 30k more isk per match for the top 5 players on a team who then have that money to buy one more advanced suit per match, which then grows the isk pool even more until the point where even the players at the bottom of the losing team are seeing significant increases in their payouts. If 30% of the players are running full BPO and dieing several times, I don't know what to say. That's not what I'm seeing. Even if I did, I would enjoy running real gear and stomping the crap out of them. I wish the whole enemy team ran nothing but BPOs. No more Duvolles with Complex Damage Modifiers? No more Thales and Charge Sniper Rifles? There go 85% of my deaths, thus I'm saving money anyway. Also, there's a solution. The value lost and added to the pot when a BPO is "lost," so to speak, can be made the same as the item it's based off of. Died using a militia dampener? Add 585 ISK to the pot. Died using a militia dampener BPO? Add 585 ISK to the pot. Not seeing any problems that cannot be solved easily. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.