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Tebu Gan wrote:

Knight Soiaire wrote:

Madrugar with no plates - 4 Active Resists.

Madrugar with 180mm Polycrystalline Plates - 2 Active Resists.

Saw some guy running the 4 Active Resist fit, called him out about it, and he was convinced it was better, I think this is just BS (Because stacking penalties, and the amount of modules you have to manage could lead to some easy mistakes)

So really, which is better?

He says his Resists are at 70% with both modules active, my resists are somewhere around 50% with both modules active and passives.

I'm really considering leaving that 'Tanker' channel, because last night someone was trying to tell me his Falchion would beat any Madrugar.

Straight

Stacking any mod after the 3rd provides minimal bonus, even the 3rd mod is very tiny. Guy is wrong. Very wrong.

Additionally, my falchion can beat any maddie. Not all the time mind you, I imagine a rail to be a huge problem. Running missiles I can out range a blaster maddie, given I can keep my range.

I fought a well fit missile maddie, up close and personal yesterday. He got me once, but it was that cheap bullshit where he rams me, and blows me up, because for some reason, the more armor you got the more damage you do to other things.
Second go around he tried rammin me, but I dodge and just lay down the hurt. Left me with hardly any shields and armor, but that ******* went down. lol

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Knight Soiaire Taco Eating Ninja Monkeys 2968	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:20:00 - [1] - Quote Madrugar with no plates - 4 Active Resists. Madrugar with 180mm Polycrystalline Plates - 2 Active Resists. Saw some guy running the 4 Active Resist fit, called him out about it, and he was convinced it was better, I think this is just BS (Because stacking penalties, and the amount of modules you have to manage could lead to some easy mistakes) So really, which is better? He says his Resists are at 70% with both modules active, my resists are somewhere around 50% with both modules active and passives. I'm really considering leaving that 'Tanker' channel, because last night someone was trying to tell me his Falchion would beat any Madrugar. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days CAF Scrub - BHD Scrub - 100% Scrub guaranteed. (Scrub approved by GJR himself)
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1390	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:22:00 - [2] - Quote I would take the second selection. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 447	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:23:00 - [3] - Quote LOL the best maddy fit is the one with a heavy rep and a sh*t ton of resist and a nitrus. If you use it well it's IMO by far the best tank on the field. "i weel shuut u een duh faise" - some Minnie scout
Knight Soiaire Taco Eating Ninja Monkeys 2968	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:24:00 - [4] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: I would take the second selection. Yeah me too. I was watching the guy in a match, and he barely beat a Limited Ed. HAV, and was easily taken out by AV afterwards. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days CAF Scrub - BHD Scrub - 100% Scrub guaranteed. (Scrub approved by GJR himself)
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 710	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:25:00 - [5] - Quote The second fit is much better in my opinion, and I haven't even ran any Madrugars. My reasoning is like this: Less module management involved Little stacking penalty, so all hardeners are to almost full effect Plate would add more EHP than adding two more hardeners due to stacking penalties "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Knight Soiaire Taco Eating Ninja Monkeys 2968	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:25:00 - [6] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: LOL the best maddy fit is the one with a heavy rep and a sht ton of resist and a nitrus. If you use it well it's IMO by far the best tank on the field. Is that the one with this low layout? 180mm Plates PG Expansion Active Resist Acitve Resist Heavy Rep I use this one, with a Nitrous. Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days CAF Scrub* - BHD Scrub - 100% Scrub guaranteed. (Scrub approved by GJR himself)
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 186	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:29:00 - [7] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Madrugar with no plates - 4 Active Resists. Madrugar with 180mm Polycrystalline Plates - 2 Active Resists. Saw some guy running the 4 Active Resist fit, called him out about it, and he was convinced it was better, I think this is just BS (Because stacking penalties, and the amount of modules you have to manage could lead to some easy mistakes) So really, which is better? He says his Resists are at 70% with both modules active, my resists are somewhere around 50% with both modules active and passives. I'm really considering leaving that 'Tanker' channel, because last night someone was trying to tell me his Falchion would beat any Madrugar. Stacking any mod after the 3rd provides minimal bonus, even the 3rd mod is very tiny. Guy is wrong. Very wrong. Additionally, my falchion can beat any maddie. Not all the time mind you, I imagine a rail to be a huge problem. Running missiles I can out range a blaster maddie, given I can keep my range. I fought a well fit missile maddie, up close and personal yesterday. He got me once, but it was that cheap bullshit where he rams me, and blows me up, because for some reason, the more armor you got the more damage you do to other things. Second go around he tried rammin me, but I dodge and just lay down the hurt. Left me with hardly any shields and armor, but that ******* went down. lol
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1390	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:32:00 - [8] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Madrugar with no plates - 4 Active Resists. Madrugar with 180mm Polycrystalline Plates - 2 Active Resists. Saw some guy running the 4 Active Resist fit, called him out about it, and he was convinced it was better, I think this is just BS (Because stacking penalties, and the amount of modules you have to manage could lead to some easy mistakes) So really, which is better? He says his Resists are at 70% with both modules active, my resists are somewhere around 50% with both modules active and passives. I'm really considering leaving that 'Tanker' channel, because last night someone was trying to tell me his Falchion would beat any Madrugar. Stacking any mod after the 3rd provides minimal bonus, even the 3rd mod is very tiny. Guy is wrong. Very wrong. Additionally, my falchion can beat any maddie. Not all the time mind you, I imagine a rail to be a huge problem. Running missiles I can out range a blaster maddie, given I can keep my range. I fought a well fit missile maddie, up close and personal yesterday. He got me once, but it was that cheap bullshit where he rams me, and blows me up, because for some reason, the more armor you got the more damage you do to other things. Second go around he tried rammin me, but I dodge and just lay down the hurt. Left me with hardly any shields and armor, but that ******* went down. lol Try me in a blaster, and I bet you'll fell the hurting 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Knight Soiaire Taco Eating Ninja Monkeys 2968	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:32:00 - [9] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Madrugar with no plates - 4 Active Resists. Madrugar with 180mm Polycrystalline Plates - 2 Active Resists. Saw some guy running the 4 Active Resist fit, called him out about it, and he was convinced it was better, I think this is just BS (Because stacking penalties, and the amount of modules you have to manage could lead to some easy mistakes) So really, which is better? He says his Resists are at 70% with both modules active, my resists are somewhere around 50% with both modules active and passives. I'm really considering leaving that 'Tanker' channel, because last night someone was trying to tell me his Falchion would beat any Madrugar. Stacking any mod after the 3rd provides minimal bonus, even the 3rd mod is very tiny. Guy is wrong. Very wrong. Additionally, my falchion can beat any maddie. Not all the time mind you, I imagine a rail to be a huge problem. Running missiles I can out range a blaster maddie, given I can keep my range. I fought a well fit missile maddie, up close and personal yesterday. He got me once, but it was that cheap bullshit where he rams me, and blows me up, because for some reason, the more armor you got the more damage you do to other things. Second go around he tried rammin me, but I dodge and just lay down the hurt. Left me with hardly any shields and armor, but that ******* went down. lol I can imagine missile fits being effective Vs Maddies, but the risk would be so high that it wouldn't be worth it. Most Falchions I see are Blaster HAVs anyway (For some reason) Raffle draw will be in 2-3 days CAF Scrub - BHD Scrub - 100% Scrub guaranteed. (Scrub approved by GJR himself)
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 713	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:36:00 - [10] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: I can imagine missile fits being effective Vs Maddies, but the risk would be so high that it wouldn't be worth it. Most Falchions I see are Blaster HAVs anyway (For some reason) I actually ditched my Falchions for Gunnlogis for the sole reason that for some strange reason, people work extra hard to kill me when I am in my Falchion. And my Falchions were of no cost to me, thanks to Mordu's Challenge, but people still tried extra hard as if the Falchion was my own ISK. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 683	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:38:00 - [11] - Quote You've got to have the HP in the first place in order to have any resist on it. I used to be a tanker, then I took a swarm to the tread.
CharCharOdell 1465	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:42:00 - [12] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: LOL the best maddy fit is the one with a heavy rep and a sht ton of resist and a nitrus. If you use it well it's IMO by far the best tank on the field. 120 plate, 2 hardeners 1 heavy rep nitros heat sink BEST FIT EVERRRR Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition*
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 309	Posted - 2013.11.03 16:56:00 - [13] - Quote The problem about no plate is the missing buffer hp, due to which AV can burst. However, I'm not sure which fit would really win, one against each other - 2 Heavy IG-L Reppers + Resists - Plate, Heavy Repper, Resists - Resists, Repper
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1127	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:24:00 - [14] - Quote Fit with 180 plate is better. Especially since stacking penalty is bugged for vehicles atm. Meaning the first active resist only gives 16% resist... Please don't GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 563	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:31:00 - [15] - Quote I'd say the best tank is a tank that reps a second tank, that reps a third tank, leading to an unstoppable conga line of death until the team quota is reached I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 563	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:33:00 - [16] - Quote Harpyja wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: I can imagine missile fits being effective Vs Maddies, but the risk would be so high that it wouldn't be worth it. Most Falchions I see are Blaster HAVs anyway (For some reason) I actually ditched my Falchions for Gunnlogis for the sole reason that for some strange reason, people work extra hard to kill me when I am in my Falchion. And my Falchions were of no cost to me, thanks to Mordu's Challenge, but people still tried extra hard as if the Falchion was my own ISK. People in this game can be very viscous when it comes to things that cost loads money, which is why I feel sorry for people with AUR tanks. I may seem biased to some... But in the end all I want is perfect balance between everything.
Shattered Mirage D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 343	Posted - 2013.11.03 18:51:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'd say the best tank is a tank that reps a second tank, that reps a third tank, leading to an unstoppable conga line of death until the team quota is reached I can agree on this. What is the truth, but a lie agreed upon. There are no facts, only interpretations.
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals EoN. 176	Posted - 2013.11.03 19:52:00 - [18] - Quote I saw someone bring out a Vayu with 4 active resists once in a PC CHICAGOCUBS4EVER ****ed it up with his FG. Who was it that made this claim I might recognize the name? The later is better. Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........ Tanker/Logi Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1182	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:18:00 - [19] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'd say the best tank is a tank that reps a second tank, that reps a third tank, leading to an unstoppable conga line of death until the team quota is reached So you want remote modules removed as well. Well, they are going to be removed. Congratulations Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Tank Missile Intara Direct Action Caldari State 21	Posted - 2013.11.03 20:22:00 - [20] - Quote A well-fitted Falchion COULD hypothetically destroy most Madrugars with ease, you have to realize how amazing a third low slot is to a shield tanker. Plus, explosive damage bonuses are certainly a plus against armor tankers. Although, to be fair, I have never seen a well-fitted Falchion. Drives a missile tank. Surprise.



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