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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:19:00 -
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test results versus installations , supply depo, etc.
basic laser 84m
elm laser 84m
viziam laser 84m
and to rub salt in the wound they all do 17 per bullet .
why the SAME range ??
its a PROTOTYPE weapon and it has the SAME range as a basic laser 84m ......lol!!!!!!!! |
Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:24:00 -
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Viziam overheats less quickly.
Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1965
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:27:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Viziam overheats less quickly.
Three extra rounds. WOO HOO ! ! ! ! ! ! |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
913
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:27:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Viziam overheats less quickly. 1%........lol!!!
your post has ZERO relevance to RANGE dicussion. |
Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:28:00 -
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You can hold the trigger for moderately longer. I think like one second longer. For increased skill investment, cost per weapon, fitting requirements, and feedback damage is HIGHER (which you shouldn't be getting anyways but still) you gain one second longer to shoot.
Of course your corpse is already riddled with AR hybrid plasma round holes before you get that far :/ |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
913
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:31:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:You can hold the trigger for moderately longer. I think like one second longer. For increased skill investment, cost per weapon, fitting requirements, and feedback damage is HIGHER (which you shouldn't be getting anyways but still) you gain one second longer to shoot.
Of course your corpse is already riddled with AR hybrid plasma round holes before you get that far :/
yep.
ar514 lol and getting more ARs in 1.7....lol.
and wait theres more!
ARs get a range buff in 1.7....lol
laser RIP in 1.7...
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
300
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:38:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Slag Emberforge wrote:You can hold the trigger for moderately longer. I think like one second longer. For increased skill investment, cost per weapon, fitting requirements, and feedback damage is HIGHER (which you shouldn't be getting anyways but still) you gain one second longer to shoot.
Of course your corpse is already riddled with AR hybrid plasma round holes before you get that far :/ yep. ar514 lol and getting more ARs in 1.7....lol. and wait theres more! ARs get a range buff in 1.7....lol laser RIP in 1.7...
Yeah, unless they seriously rework the range (longer and wider optimal with less severe drop off, with improvements as you go up tiers, IMO) I'm very afraid I'm going to have to give up my LR... again.
Templar'd for her pleasure
Amarr victor!
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
The Ascendancy
560
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:50:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:test results versus installations , supply depo, etc.
basic laser 84m
elm laser 84m
viziam laser 84m
and to rub salt in the wound they all do 17 per bullet .
why the SAME range ??
its a PROTOTYPE weapon and it has the SAME range as a basic laser 84m ......lol!!!!!!!!
yeah i did this the other day when ccp wouldnt jus post the chart simple fact of the matter is proto lr is worthless ..elm..is only worth is if your gun game isnt great...the only lr that should be used is the standard...but awesomely when the stnd is fitted to proto suits...it leaves allot of room free for sexy dmg and hp stacks |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
624
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Posted - 2013.11.01 13:55:00 -
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The LR right now is... kind of worthless as it is. Not saying it's bad- it's fantastic when you get people into the range. But...
Plasma Rifle. It has better range already and an apparently higher damage output at that range.
AR 514... sigh.
I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2519
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:04:00 -
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Laser Rifle definitely needs a buff but there are also people that don't realize that it's a Support/Defense weapon and not a full assault weapon.
The amount of people I see in game going around with a Laser Rifle on the frontlines is laughably pathetic then I see some of the same people crying on the forums about the laser rifle, even though it needs a huge buff I find their complaints void by their stupidity.
Think of the Scrambler rifle as the Assault weapon of the Amarr and the Laser Rifle as the suppresive fire support weapon for Amarr.
Nonetheless, Laser Rifle needs its range increased.
I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.
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Slag Emberforge
Immortal Retribution
104
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:37:00 -
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I think a solid change in addition to increasing damage per level (5-10% per tier as per other variants) and extension of optimal range would really put it in a better place |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
1576
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Posted - 2013.11.01 14:44:00 -
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Slag Emberforge wrote:I think a solid change in addition to increasing damage per level (5-10% per tier as per other variants) and extension of optimal range would really put it in a better place
Pretty much this
I have a Templar Laser rifle and really i dont need to increase much on it, i can use an Amarr assault suit with it and get cooldown that way as well as it primary skill but all i need to get the prof really and that will make my basic laser rifle better than a proto laser
What is the difference between the basic and proto versions apart from when it overheats it takes more health, the damage and range are the same and anything skill wise applies to all the lasers |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
439
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:46:00 -
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the laser is deadly..
u just need to get its proficiency up though. |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2522
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:49:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:the laser is deadly..
u just need to get its proficiency up though.
Yeah, I don't think damage needs to be touched as one swipe from a proficient laser rifleman can rip apart my 660 armor.
Sp is needed to make this gun deadly, it's not awesome right out the gate like some weapons are.
I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
628
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:53:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:CLONE117 wrote:the laser is deadly..
u just need to get its proficiency up though. Yeah, I don't think damage needs to be touched as one swipe from a proficient laser rifleman can rip apart my 660 armor. Sp is needed to make this gun deadly, it's not awesome right out the gate like some weapons are.
Yep. Laser Rifle is definitely a SP weapon. Scrambler Pistol is similar, though that beastly headshot bonus gives it the starting advantage. The LR's optimal range could use a bit of adjusting, but I can arguably dismiss this idea due to the fact I'm comparing it to a fully auto sniper rifle. You know the one. One of these need a range adjusting.
I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
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Awry Barux
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
180
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Posted - 2013.11.01 15:57:00 -
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The LR's range dropoff is ludicrous. A Duvolle AR is more effective at 95m than a LR, and that's just wrong. |
Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
190
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:03:00 -
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They are all the same model just with improved heatsinks, so given fancyer names to show off the newer better heat disapating models that cost more and get more funding by investors? |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6860
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:04:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Viziam overheats less quickly.
Also gets HUGELY more feedback damage.
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pseudosnipre
DUST University
Ivy League
319
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:06:00 -
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Would love to see current max damage achieved at 100 instead of 85 with linear dropoff to zero damage at 110m and 65m respectively (max/min range)...
Too many times I have to get into AR range to do ANY notable damage... |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
The Ascendancy
561
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:21:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Laser Rifle definitely needs a buff but there are also people that don't realize that it's a Support/Defense weapon and not a full assault weapon.
The amount of people I see in game going around with a Laser Rifle on the frontlines is laughably pathetic then I see some of the same people crying on the forums about the laser rifle, even though it needs a huge buff I find their complaints void by their stupidity.
Think of the Scrambler rifle as the Assault weapon of the Amarr and the Laser Rifle as the suppresive fire support weapon for Amarr.
Nonetheless, Laser Rifle needs its range increased.
i concur. but against some people it is very deadly..woe to the sniper that squats anywhere near a laser |
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
The Ascendancy
561
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:22:00 -
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pseudosnipre wrote:Would love to see current max damage achieved at 100 instead of 85 with linear dropoff to zero damage at 110m and 65m respectively (max/min range)...
Too many times I have to get into AR range to do ANY notable damage...
and when the new rifles come out the laser rifle will be the most up proto among light weapons the only exception being the plasma cannon |
Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
327
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:33:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Viziam overheats less quickly.
Melts your face off when it does.
Assassination is my thing.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
277
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:43:00 -
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Its quite deadly in its optimal range. Rarely do you have a chance to escape from a laser user in their optimal range. Here is to hoping the different crystals they announced some time back give you an option on ranges/damages.
Lore on lasers in eve is that they have a narrow "optimal" This is balanced by being able to quickly change ammo/crystals. So I am unsure on what CCP will do with range buffs.
Gal tech in this game is totally wrong though. Winmitar weapons usually have the wider optimal.
Agree on needing difference in tiers. No reason to utilize proto variant.
PHI Recruitment
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1969
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Posted - 2013.11.01 16:53:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:the laser is deadly..
u just need to get its proficiency up though.
If you have to artificially buff a weapon before being able to say it's good/useful you're basically just accepting that it's UP. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
302
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:30:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:The LR's range dropoff is ludicrous. A Duvolle AR is more effective at 95m than a LR, and that's just wrong. ^^^^ exhibit #1 that this is AR 514.
Templar'd for her pleasure
Amarr victor!
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles
1776
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:42:00 -
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I manage to 1 v 7 people with my laser...
All the raspberry's don't seem to understand there guns don't do much past 80 m....
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
950
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Posted - 2013.11.01 21:55:00 -
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IMO: Laser should have its current minimum range, but a 150m maximum. Then it'd be useful.
Also folks: the fact that the Viziam overheats slower is how it gets more damage, even if the stat still says 17. The damage increases exponentially as you get the heat up, and it has a higher maximum than the basic LR.
That said, you can get a similar effect by using the Amarr Assault for much less isk...
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
523
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Posted - 2013.11.01 22:02:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:CLONE117 wrote:the laser is deadly..
u just need to get its proficiency up though. Yeah, I don't think damage needs to be touched as one swipe from a proficient laser rifleman can rip apart my 660 armor. Sp is needed to make this gun deadly, it's not awesome right out the gate like some weapons are.
Like what?
Mass Drivers suck without proficiency skills
Swarm Launchers suck without proficiency skills
SCR Pistols and SMGs are also "not awesome outta the box" and need proficiency skills to compete with primary weapons (unless you go for headshots)
I think all guns should be "ok" until you get proficiency lvl 3
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AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more
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Lorhak Gannarsein
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Posted - 2013.11.01 23:38:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Viziam overheats less quickly. 1%........lol!!! your post has ZERO relevance to RANGE discussion.
[quote=Tech Ohm Eaven]and to rub salt in the wound they all do 17 per bullet ./Quote:
Was responding to this part.
[quote=Chunky Munkey]Three extra rounds. WOO HOO ! ! ! ! !
It is a bit underwhelming :P
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DNAcompound
xCosmic Voidx
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
25
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:07:00 -
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I think the laser rifle is fine as it is, it doesn't need any buffs in my opinion.
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
243
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Posted - 2013.11.02 00:12:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:Its quite deadly in its optimal range. Rarely do you have a chance to escape from a laser user in their optimal range. Here is to hoping the different crystals they announced some time back give you an option on ranges/damages.
Lore on lasers in eve is that they have a narrow "optimal" This is balanced by being able to quickly change ammo/crystals. So I am unsure on what CCP will do with range buffs.
Gal tech in this game is totally wrong though. Winmitar weapons usually have the wider optimal.
Agree on needing difference in tiers. No reason to utilize proto variant.
Yeah, optimal like the HMG's 5-15 meter optimal.  |
Nestil
Seraphim Auxiliaries
80
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Posted - 2013.11.07 12:16:00 -
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since the update i get destroyed even at 70 meters from duvolles... i fear the LR may suck even more in 1.07 :/ |
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