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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 913	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:19:00 - [1] - Quote test results versus installations , supply depo, etc. basic laser 84m elm laser 84m viziam laser 84m and to rub salt in the wound they all do 17 per bullet . why the SAME range ?? its a PROTOTYPE weapon and it has the SAME range as a basic laser 84m ......lol!!!!!!!!
Lorhak Gannarsein 516	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:24:00 - [2] - Quote Viziam overheats less quickly. Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1965	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:27:00 - [3] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Viziam overheats less quickly. Three extra rounds. WOO HOO ! ! ! ! ! !
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 913	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:27:00 - [4] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Viziam overheats less quickly. 1%........lol!!! your post has ZERO relevance to RANGE dicussion.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 104	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:28:00 - [5] - Quote You can hold the trigger for moderately longer. I think like one second longer. For increased skill investment, cost per weapon, fitting requirements, and feedback damage is HIGHER (which you shouldn't be getting anyways but still) you gain one second longer to shoot. Of course your corpse is already riddled with AR hybrid plasma round holes before you get that far :/
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 913	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:31:00 - [6] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: You can hold the trigger for moderately longer. I think like one second longer. For increased skill investment, cost per weapon, fitting requirements, and feedback damage is HIGHER (which you shouldn't be getting anyways but still) you gain one second longer to shoot. Of course your corpse is already riddled with AR hybrid plasma round holes before you get that far :/ yep. ar514 lol and getting more ARs in 1.7....lol. and wait theres more! ARs get a range buff in 1.7....lol laser RIP in 1.7...
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 300	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:38:00 - [7] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Slag Emberforge wrote: You can hold the trigger for moderately longer. I think like one second longer. For increased skill investment, cost per weapon, fitting requirements, and feedback damage is HIGHER (which you shouldn't be getting anyways but still) you gain one second longer to shoot. Of course your corpse is already riddled with AR hybrid plasma round holes before you get that far :/ yep. ar514 lol and getting more ARs in 1.7....lol. and wait theres more! ARs get a range buff in 1.7....lol laser RIP in 1.7... Yeah, unless they seriously rework the range (longer and wider optimal with less severe drop off, with improvements as you go up tiers, IMO) I'm very afraid I'm going to have to give up my LR... again. Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 560	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:50:00 - [8] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: test results versus installations , supply depo, etc. basic laser 84m elm laser 84m viziam laser 84m and to rub salt in the wound they all do 17 per bullet . why the SAME range ?? its a PROTOTYPE weapon and it has the SAME range as a basic laser 84m ......lol!!!!!!!! yeah i did this the other day when ccp wouldnt jus post the chart simple fact of the matter is proto lr is worthless ..elm..is only worth is if your gun game isnt great...the only lr that should be used is the standard...but awesomely when the stnd is fitted to proto suits...it leaves allot of room free for sexy dmg and hp stacks
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 624	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:55:00 - [9] - Quote The LR right now is... kind of worthless as it is. Not saying it's bad- it's fantastic when you get people into the range. But... Plasma Rifle. It has better range already and an apparently higher damage output at that range. AR 514... sigh. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2519	Posted - 2013.11.01 14:04:00 - [10] - Quote Laser Rifle definitely needs a buff but there are also people that don't realize that it's a Support/Defense weapon and not a full assault weapon. The amount of people I see in game going around with a Laser Rifle on the frontlines is laughably pathetic then I see some of the same people crying on the forums about the laser rifle, even though it needs a huge buff I find their complaints void by their stupidity. Think of the Scrambler rifle as the Assault weapon of the Amarr and the Laser Rifle as the suppresive fire support weapon for Amarr. Nonetheless, Laser Rifle needs its range increased. I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.

Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 104	Posted - 2013.11.01 14:37:00 - [11] - Quote I think a solid change in addition to increasing damage per level (5-10% per tier as per other variants) and extension of optimal range would really put it in a better place
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1576	Posted - 2013.11.01 14:44:00 - [12] - Quote Slag Emberforge wrote: I think a solid change in addition to increasing damage per level (5-10% per tier as per other variants) and extension of optimal range would really put it in a better place Pretty much this I have a Templar Laser rifle and really i dont need to increase much on it, i can use an Amarr assault suit with it and get cooldown that way as well as it primary skill but all i need to get the prof really and that will make my basic laser rifle better than a proto laser What is the difference between the basic and proto versions apart from when it overheats it takes more health, the damage and range are the same and anything skill wise applies to all the lasers
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 439	Posted - 2013.11.01 15:46:00 - [13] - Quote the laser is deadly.. u just need to get its proficiency up though.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2522	Posted - 2013.11.01 15:49:00 - [14] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the laser is deadly.. u just need to get its proficiency up though. Yeah, I don't think damage needs to be touched as one swipe from a proficient laser rifleman can rip apart my 660 armor. Sp is needed to make this gun deadly, it's not awesome right out the gate like some weapons are. I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 628	Posted - 2013.11.01 15:53:00 - [15] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: CLONE117 wrote: the laser is deadly.. u just need to get its proficiency up though. Yeah, I don't think damage needs to be touched as one swipe from a proficient laser rifleman can rip apart my 660 armor. Sp is needed to make this gun deadly, it's not awesome right out the gate like some weapons are. Yep. Laser Rifle is definitely a SP weapon. Scrambler Pistol is similar, though that beastly headshot bonus gives it the starting advantage. The LR's optimal range could use a bit of adjusting, but I can arguably dismiss this idea due to the fact I'm comparing it to a fully auto sniper rifle. You know the one. One of these need a range adjusting. I go commando in my Commando. Feels good, man.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 180	Posted - 2013.11.01 15:57:00 - [16] - Quote The LR's range dropoff is ludicrous. A Duvolle AR is more effective at 95m than a LR, and that's just wrong.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn 190	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:03:00 - [17] - Quote They are all the same model just with improved heatsinks, so given fancyer names to show off the newer better heat disapating models that cost more and get more funding by investors?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 6860	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:04:00 - [18] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Viziam overheats less quickly. Also gets HUGELY more feedback damage. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads Gû¦Gû+
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 319	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:06:00 - [19] - Quote Would love to see current max damage achieved at 100 instead of 85 with linear dropoff to zero damage at 110m and 65m respectively (max/min range)... Too many times I have to get into AR range to do ANY notable damage...
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 561	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:21:00 - [20] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Laser Rifle definitely needs a buff but there are also people that don't realize that it's a Support/Defense weapon and not a full assault weapon. The amount of people I see in game going around with a Laser Rifle on the frontlines is laughably pathetic then I see some of the same people crying on the forums about the laser rifle, even though it needs a huge buff I find their complaints void by their stupidity. Think of the Scrambler rifle as the Assault weapon of the Amarr and the Laser Rifle as the suppresive fire support weapon for Amarr. Nonetheless, Laser Rifle needs its range increased. i concur. but against some people it is very deadly..woe to the sniper that squats anywhere near a laser

Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 561	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:22:00 - [21] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: Would love to see current max damage achieved at 100 instead of 85 with linear dropoff to zero damage at 110m and 65m respectively (max/min range)... Too many times I have to get into AR range to do ANY notable damage... and when the new rifles come out the laser rifle will be the most up proto among light weapons the only exception being the plasma cannon
Smooth Assassin Stardust incorporation 327	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:33:00 - [22] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Viziam overheats less quickly. Melts your face off when it does. *Assassination is my thing.*
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 277	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:43:00 - [23] - Quote Its quite deadly in its optimal range. Rarely do you have a chance to escape from a laser user in their optimal range. Here is to hoping the different crystals they announced some time back give you an option on ranges/damages. Lore on lasers in eve is that they have a narrow "optimal" This is balanced by being able to quickly change ammo/crystals. So I am unsure on what CCP will do with range buffs. Gal tech in this game is totally wrong though. Winmitar weapons usually have the wider optimal. Agree on needing difference in tiers. No reason to utilize proto variant. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1969	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:53:00 - [24] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: the laser is deadly.. u just need to get its proficiency up though. If you have to artificially buff a weapon before being able to say it's good/useful you're basically just accepting that it's UP.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 302	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:30:00 - [25] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: The LR's range dropoff is ludicrous. A Duvolle AR is more effective at 95m than a LR, and that's just wrong. ^^^^ exhibit #1 that this is AR 514. Templar'd for her pleasure Amarr victor!
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles 1776	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:42:00 - [26] - Quote I manage to 1 v 7 people with my laser... All the raspberry's don't seem to understand there guns don't do much past 80 m.... "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 950	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:55:00 - [27] - Quote IMO: Laser should have its current minimum range, but a 150m maximum. Then it'd be useful. Also folks: the fact that the Viziam overheats slower is how it gets more damage, even if the stat still says 17. The damage increases exponentially as you get the heat up, and it has a higher maximum than the basic LR. That said, you can get a similar effect by using the Amarr Assault for much less isk... ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 523	Posted - 2013.11.01 22:02:00 - [28] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: CLONE117 wrote: the laser is deadly.. u just need to get its proficiency up though. Yeah, I don't think damage needs to be touched as one swipe from a proficient laser rifleman can rip apart my 660 armor. Sp is needed to make this gun deadly, it's not awesome right out the gate like some weapons are. Like what? Mass Drivers suck without proficiency skills Swarm Launchers suck without proficiency skills SCR Pistols and SMGs are also "not awesome outta the box" and need proficiency skills to compete with primary weapons (unless you go for headshots) I think all guns should be "ok" until you get proficiency lvl 3 I am everything AV, Tanker, Logi, Scout, Heavy, and so much more -HAND
Lorhak Gannarsein 521	Posted - 2013.11.01 23:38:00 - [29] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Viziam overheats less quickly. 1%........lol!!! your post has ZERO relevance to RANGE discussion. [quote=Tech Ohm Eaven]and to rub salt in the wound they all do 17 per bullet ./ Quote: Was responding to this part. [quote=Chunky Munkey]Three extra rounds. WOO HOO ! ! ! ! ! It is a bit underwhelming :P Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
DNAcompound xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 25	Posted - 2013.11.02 00:07:00 - [30] - Quote I think the laser rifle is fine as it is, it doesn't need any buffs in my opinion. « Ð+«a+ä »



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