DUST Search - Respecs

Django Quik wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

Let's just agree to disagree. But for the record I don't believe high SP players need respecs. They may need some reallocation in certain areas along with all players affected by certain changes as CCP has done a few times, but not full respecs. I absolutely feel that it would be good for newer players to have the ability to straighten out their character after they've figured the game out (10 mil would be good IMO).

Actually, as it happens we quite agree. I'm not totally against a single respec for low level players but not 10 million, maybe 5 million. By the time you've reached 10 million (that's about 3 months or so), you should have a solid grasp of the game and been able to get past any early mistakes you made (because really the only mistakes you can make early on are going to be about one week's worth of SP). High level players don't need respecs even in the slightest but unlike yourself a lot still want them because "boredom" and these are the people who most annoy me on this subject. Respecs will not cure boredom.

I used to be totally against respecs in any circumstances but I've come around to some in specific circumstances. I disagree with respecs being purchasable or repeatable even with high costs or losing some SP each time. However, as I've previously stated I agree with respecs for the vehicles and racial dropsuits, which I really hope they bring out all at the same time so we don't end up having to give out multiple respecs for each one and then people will think they deserve respecs every time anything changes or new things come out.

The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.


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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 793	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:13:00 - [1] - Quote Please stop asking for respecs to try new gear and learn to run standard gear like all the new players do. The only people with the right to complain are those with placeholder suits and weapons and those in vehicles. You can't really know if you'll love a weapon unless you can run with it at standard, which doesn't take a lot of SP. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 794	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:27:00 - [2] - Quote I come from EVE, where you essentially are paying a subscription for SP. If I forget to reque I get nothing, and lose money. This game will always give you enough free SP passively to get 5 standard weapons a week. If you cap and use boosters then you could get every advanced weapon in less than 2 month. When going into proto your essentially saying I'm going to take one weapon to 5 instead of taking 4 other weapons to 3, and that's fine but the difference between Advanced and Proto is such that you can't argue that proto is the only viable option. Now for racial variants not released it's reasonable for a respec like in Uprising. The biggest change I've made with a respec is going from Min Logi to Gal Logi, but even in Chrome I never took my logi past standard in case there wasn't a respec. I also agree that if they overhaul vehicle or dropsuit skills like they did post uprising that a respec is fine and who is to say that you can't spec into something totally different. The second respec contributed to the large number of Cal Logis that eventually led to their "nerf" and people demanded a respec out of cal logi, similarly to the flaylock. It's an endless cycle in a game where things will constatly keep changing and being tweaked, there will be no end to people wanting respecs until they stop having them. Assuming this game is still around in a year and there aren't too many new suits and weapons you'll have plenty of SP to spec into whatever you want. It only takes about 2 months to get enough SP for a new suit and weapon to level 5, play for a year and negelcting cores you at least 5 different full fits. I invest in cores and not new junk for that very reason. I specced conservatively and have weathered the rebalancings for it. What will I do when my cores are maxed? Vehicles? New Suit? Weapon? Whatever I want, and I'll start at standard and work my way up like I did for my first suit. Learn to save your SP or learn to spec into low risk skills. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 794	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:39:00 - [3] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: Problem being that players in the lower SP segment do not have the needed total SP to make proper use of respecs in the first place and those in the higher SP segment will stop bying boosters when they can respec instantly. Seems like a zero-sum deal to me. Add to this the lowered lifespan due to adaptation to shifting meta (new gear, balance) becoming "pay AUR to adapt"* instead of careful planning and long term thinking and CCP might end up with shorter player retention, and thus less revenue, than one might think at a first glance. *in case of paid ones, that is. Exactly, people need to accept that this game can't work with respecs and still stay f2p, the grind is intentional and people need to learn how to work with and around it. Nice comment. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 795	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:58:00 - [4] - Quote A 10 mil SP milestone respec is fine, but someone can screw up a respec more easily than gaining skills over time. People still won't use them properly and need more as long as they jump from one proto thing to the next. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 798	Posted - 2013.11.01 17:20:00 - [5] - Quote If CCP wants to charge 100,000+ Aurum for respecs, I could agree with that, but then there would be another rebalance and people would say they were cheated and ask for a refund and another respec. Maybe they can use the extra dough to hire more Devs, but I don't need one, and if CCP decides to change things drastically I know they'll do right by us. There a lot of good reasons for repecs, I'm simply refer to the people who feel as though as a mechanic and a regular thing that there should be more respecs. Once all the racial variants and all the cores are balanced out there shouldn't be anymore, there is no need for them. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 805	Posted - 2013.11.02 16:42:00 - [6] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Let's just agree to disagree. But for the record I don't believe high SP players need respecs. They may need some reallocation in certain areas along with all players affected by certain changes as CCP has done a few times, but not full respecs. I absolutely feel that it would be good for newer players to have the ability to straighten out their character after they've figured the game out (10 mil would be good IMO). Actually, as it happens we quite agree. I'm not totally against a single respec for low level players but not 10 million, maybe 5 million. By the time you've reached 10 million (that's about 3 months or so), you should have a solid grasp of the game and been able to get past any early mistakes you made (because really the only mistakes you can make early on are going to be about one week's worth of SP). High level players don't need respecs even in the slightest but unlike yourself a lot still want them because "boredom" and these are the people who most annoy me on this subject. Respecs will not cure boredom. I used to be totally against respecs in any circumstances but I've come around to some in specific circumstances. I disagree with respecs being purchasable or repeatable even with high costs or losing some SP each time. However, as I've previously stated I agree with respecs for the vehicles and racial dropsuits, which I really hope they bring out all at the same time so we don't end up having to give out multiple respecs for each one and then people will think they deserve respecs every time anything changes or new things come out. I echo these sentiments. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.