DUST Search - Stop the Gunlogi QQ

CharCharOdell wrote:

Tebu Gan wrote:

Well, if you are done sucking CCP ****, may I say something. (joking, kinda lol)

1)
Sure on paper this all looks fine and dandy, but we still have yet to actually try the changes. Calling everything AWESOME is quite dangerous. A healthy amount of scepticism can go a long way.

2)
They didn't release this info just so you can go, Oh yeah this is perfect. You mentioned a few things in your posts that should be cause for concern and should be changed. IE, Missiles.

3)
So you are admitting that the gunnlogi has the short end of the stick when stacked against a maddie, currently. I get that maddies have trouble fitting damage mods, but it is foolish to assume that a gunnlogi has no problems whatsoever equipping damage mods as it is. Given I do not have to sacrifice a tank slot for a damage mod, I'm still limited by PG if I chose to do so. Which means I have far less tank in exchange for damage.

Now, one of my favorite logi fits is a high mitigation rail. No damage mods, just a focus on tank. Awesome for busting those glass cannons. Anyways enough of that.

4)
A forge gun already nearly 3 shots my glass cannon as is, so there is nothing new there buddy. Although it may take a few more shots then that, speed is the key to survival in that sort of situation.

So, what situations have you assumed for your theorycrafting?

Tank vs tank, Tank vs AV, AV vs Tank.
Terrain, speed, shield regen(armor is getting a buff in this regard).

All important factors, and more I can't think of atm.

Another thing to note, if these are standard hulls, assume proto hulls are in the future, it's not Tank vs Tank I'm concerned about. AV vs Tank is something that concerns me more. Proto Av on my Standard hull, seems to me a bit, hmm, unbalanced.

You also mention there will be MORE variety in fits with 1.7, so I'm going to assume that there is no variety as is for you? I have an insane variety of fits as is, so I will have to disagree with you there. The only thing we are GAINING in variety is shield regen. But on the other hand, I don't view ammo as a gain. It will be a restriction, as wanting more of it require you to sacrifice a slot.

Ok, now off to work I go, yay. (notice the lack of enthusiasm)

You sound upset. Maybe you should spec out of tanks BC you can't handle them.


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Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 185	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:05:00 - [1] - Quote Well, if you are done sucking CCP ****, may I say something. (joking, kinda lol) 1) Sure on paper this all looks fine and dandy, but we still have yet to actually try the changes. Calling everything AWESOME is quite dangerous. A healthy amount of scepticism can go a long way. 2) They didn't release this info just so you can go, Oh yeah this is perfect. You mentioned a few things in your posts that should be cause for concern and should be changed. IE, Missiles. 3) So you are admitting that the gunnlogi has the short end of the stick when stacked against a maddie, currently. I get that maddies have trouble fitting damage mods, but it is foolish to assume that a gunnlogi has no problems whatsoever equipping damage mods as it is. Given I do not have to sacrifice a tank slot for a damage mod, I'm still limited by PG if I chose to do so. Which means I have far less tank in exchange for damage. Now, one of my favorite logi fits is a high mitigation rail. No damage mods, just a focus on tank. Awesome for busting those glass cannons. Anyways enough of that. 4) A forge gun already nearly 3 shots my glass cannon as is, so there is nothing new there buddy. Although it may take a few more shots then that, speed is the key to survival in that sort of situation. So, what situations have you assumed for your theorycrafting? Tank vs tank, Tank vs AV, AV vs Tank. Terrain, speed, shield regen(armor is getting a buff in this regard). All important factors, and more I can't think of atm. Another thing to note, if these are standard hulls, assume proto hulls are in the future, it's not Tank vs Tank I'm concerned about. AV vs Tank is something that concerns me more. Proto Av on my Standard hull, seems to me a bit, hmm, unbalanced. You also mention there will be MORE variety in fits with 1.7, so I'm going to assume that there is no variety as is for you? I have an insane variety of fits as is, so I will have to disagree with you there. The only thing we are GAINING in variety is shield regen. But on the other hand, I don't view ammo as a gain. It will be a restriction, as wanting more of it require you to sacrifice a slot. Ok, now off to work I go, yay. (notice the lack of enthusiasm)
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 185	Posted - 2013.11.01 21:51:00 - [2] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Well, if you are done sucking CCP **, may I say something. (joking, kinda lol) 1) Sure on paper this all looks fine and dandy, but we still have yet to actually try the changes. Calling everything AWESOME is quite dangerous. A healthy amount of scepticism can go a long way. 2) They didn't release this info just so you can go, Oh yeah this is perfect. You mentioned a few things in your posts that should be cause for concern and should be changed. IE, Missiles. 3) So you are admitting that the gunnlogi has the short end of the stick when stacked against a maddie, currently. I get that maddies have trouble fitting damage mods, but it is foolish to assume that a gunnlogi has no problems whatsoever equipping damage mods as it is. Given I do not have to sacrifice a tank slot for a damage mod, I'm still limited by PG if I chose to do so. Which means I have far less tank in exchange for damage. Now, one of my favorite logi fits is a high mitigation rail. No damage mods, just a focus on tank. Awesome for busting those glass cannons. Anyways enough of that. 4) A forge gun already nearly 3 shots my glass cannon as is, so there is nothing new there buddy. Although it may take a few more shots then that, speed is the key to survival in that sort of situation. So, what situations have you assumed for your theorycrafting? Tank vs tank, Tank vs AV, AV vs Tank. Terrain, speed, shield regen(armor is getting a buff in this regard). All important factors, and more I can't think of atm. Another thing to note, if these are standard hulls, assume proto hulls are in the future, it's not Tank vs Tank I'm concerned about. AV vs Tank is something that concerns me more. Proto Av on my Standard hull, seems to me a bit, hmm, unbalanced. You also mention there will be MORE variety in fits with 1.7, so I'm going to assume that there is no variety as is for you? I have an insane variety of fits as is, so I will have to disagree with you there. The only thing we are GAINING in variety is shield regen. But on the other hand, I don't view ammo as a gain. It will be a restriction, as wanting more of it require you to sacrifice a slot. Ok, now off to work I go, yay. (notice the lack of enthusiasm) You sound upset. Maybe you should spec out of tanks BC you can't handle them. First off, here is a question mark ?. Upset? What in the world makes you think that. You know once upon a time, people thought the world to be a cube. People were afraid of sailing the oceans because the way they saw it, you were to fall off the edge. Few questioned this, until someone was actually brave enough to sail to the "edge" and find out for themselves. Scientific method, a method of inquiry must be based on empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method). No, I'm not going to say that people shouldn't question some of the changes CCP has laid forth. No I'm not going to simply "take your word for it". That would be foolish on my part and hardly logical. Now, did I ever indicate, or say that I couldn't handle tanks? I don't believe I have. lol Anyways You assume much with your post. You have yet to lay one hand on one of these new tanks with the changes, so don't cry foul if others are upset with something that they see and don't like. I find your line of thinking dangerous itself, considering CCP has said these are not final numbers by any means. Another note, I've not seen your math. I'm not going to "Believe" in your words of "Wisdom" without seeing your actual numbers. I mean come on, it's like me saying "yeah man, my is 15 inches long, just trust me dude it really is!" No, I'm not QQing one bit about the new changes coming nor am I really going to say much about them other than to theorycraft, as I'll drop my 2 isk when I'm able to play with the new changes for a week or 2. There are too many variables involved to conclusively say, "oh yeah this ** is spot on"! And no doubt, with the amount of time CCP has before them, these numbers will change, perhaps drastically. Anyways, be my guest and QQ the QQer's as I've just QQ'ed the QQ of the QQ'ers. So I guess that makes me the King of QQ now. (Don't take it too hard fella, it's all in good fun. And know, this is a game to me, nothing more. I might get upset about real life, but games, no. Hardly worth it fella. BE good!)