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Posted - 2013.11.02 09:17:00 -
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According to one of the posters in this forum, it takes about 5 weeks to get enough SP to max into a Prototype Dropsuit without boosters. That's nothing, right?
It takes 23 days, 10 hours of continuous skill training (keep in mind that this is completely passive with no implants to improve training) for a fresh EVE player to get into a T2 Assault Frigate. Additionally, there are two T2 Assault Frigates per race.
Let's compare times:
EVE, 2 T2 Frigates (2 Assault Frigates) (23 days, 10 hours, Passive)
Dust 514, 1 non-basic Prototype Dropsuit (~5 Weeks, Passive and Active)
After that, getting another Prototype Dropsuit would take about 5 more weeks, right? Well, let's see how long it would take to train another T2 Frigate for EVE. Let's go with... Covert Ops this time. You would expect it would take about another 23 days, right? Well, no, not really. The two have overlapping requirements (Racial Frigate V), so it takes less time this time around (keep in mind that I'm counting the prerequisites for Prototype Dropsuits, and it's just an estimation, so it might be a little inaccurate). Also, the Covert Ops frigate skill for EVE is for two classes of starship, instead of just two variants of the same class.
Let's compare times:
EVE, 4 T2 Frigates (2 Assault Frigates, 1 Covert Ops, 1 Stealth Bomber) (35 days, 7 hours, Passive)
Dust 514, 2 non-basic Prototype Dropsuits (~10 Weeks, Passive and Active)
Let's continue. As before, getting another Prototype Dropsuit should take about 5 more weeks. On the EVE side of things, let's go with Interceptors. Like before, it has overlapping requirements (Racial Frigate V, again), so it takes about as much time as it took with the Covert Ops.
Let's compare times:
EVE, 6 T2 Frigates (2 Assault Frigates, 2 Interceptors, 1 Covert Ops, 1 Stealth Bomber) (47 days, 4 hours, Passive)
Dust 514, 3 non-basic Prototype Dropsuits (~15 Weeks, Passive and Active)
I could continue, as there is one more class of T2 Frigate, but no one uses it and so it would be kind of unfair to use as an example. To train for 3 non-basic Prototype Dropsuits of 3 types, you must spend 3.75 months of active skill training. To train for 6 T2 Frigates of 4 types, you only need to spend 1.57 months of passive skill training. That's less than half, and with twice the unlocked variety (different variants of the same class of ship are often very different in playstyle).
Now, suppose the estimation I was given about how long it takes to train for Prototype dropsuits was off by a week. That's still 3 months, which is still almost twice as long for far less variety. And yes, while it is true that EVE requires a lot of other skills to be trained in order for you to be effective, they also improve your ability when using other ships, and the same can also be said for Dust 514 (complex modules are harsh maidens).
Also, other ship types do take longer to train for, but I think frigates are a good analogy for dropsuits.
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Ulysses Knapse
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Posted - 2013.11.02 16:59:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:its only a good analogy because it backs up your argument.....
Dropsuits are the cheapest, smallest personal combat units in Dust 514.
Frigates are the cheapest, smallest personal combat units in EVE Online.
I think it's a good analogy.
Seymor Krelborn wrote:you could make the same case with battlecruisers and youre talking well over a month to do the same thing with one race...
want a BC of another race? yet another month plus or training....
Firstly, battlecruisers don't take nearly that long to get into, just that long to become proficient with (unless you are talking about Command Ships, in which case, you should have made that clear). Secondly, you completely fail to mention that, in the process, you'll also be unlocking that race's frigates, destroyers and cruisers.
Seymor Krelborn wrote:I think this is a better analogy for dropsuits.
Why is it a better analogy? Are dropsuits more similar to battlecruisers than they are to frigates?
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Ulysses Knapse
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Posted - 2013.11.02 18:37:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:but training wise if you need an analogy BC is a better fit because that's what you need at most least to access a good part of eve's meaningful content... i.e. incursions level 3-4 missions and unless your a throw away tackle, fleet pvp.
You should have no problem soloing most Level 3 Missions with an Assault Frigate, and Assault Frigates are actually quite good at small-scale PvP. They might not be as good at large-scale fleet engagements as battlecruisers are, but that's not what they were meant for.
That being said, dropsuits are analogous to frigates from a combat perspective. They are both highly agile, capable of avoiding heavy weapons fire by their movements alone (though in completely different ways), can perform a variety of roles, are reasonably disposable, and have a short TTK when compared to other combat units.
REGARDLESS, the point I was trying to make still stands. Training to use a dropsuit in Dust 514 is, in general, more painful than training to use a starship in EVE Online. There are almost no exceptions to this rule. Go ahead, try to point some exceptions out. I'll gladly tell you why you're wrong.
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