DUST Search - so many problems for new people, it's almost completely unplayable.

Sprog Intaki wrote:

There's a ton of problems with dust right now. As a long time EVE player I decided to try dust a few months ago. I took a break since there were some serious game breaking issues, so I acquired a few million SP and a couple million isk to put towards skills and such.

Even with SP under my belt, this game has so many problems and is so aggressive towards new people, I'm surprised this has any fanbase at all.

grenades can apparently be thrown 60+ meters and deal over 900 damage
fits become expensive so fast, there's no reason to use anything but the starter fits unless you know you can't die.
isk payouts are meager at best, players that play constantly and have higher amount of SP get the same range as people who just start. Between 100k and 150k isk from my experience.
the skill system is horrible to new people, it is in EVE, and it should have NEVER have been added to dust. Unless you've been playing for months and acquire enough isk to pay for all of your skillbooks, you're going to be stuck using the starter fits to pay for your skills, or pay for your skills and not have any money for your fits.
bonuses from skills are not shown on weapons or modules, which is a huge problem and makes a tier 3 weapon feel like a militia weapon when you read the stats, even though in game you see an obvious difference.
keyboard and mouse players have an advantage over controller users, they always have and always will. They have aim helper added on to their ability of precision that controller users are missing, making controller users feel lacking, or a keyboard and mouse almost mandatory.
dropsuit skill requirements are insane, if someone wants to switch from a logistics user to assault, they need to somehow get 150,000 SP or more just for the suit.
almost every stat for weapons are wrong. I can die from sniper rifle range from a grenade, which shows the maximum damage of 600, but magically deals almost 1000 damage. And assault rifles deal over 100 damage per shot from over 70m away, but a sniper rifle won't do even 100 unless you hit their head.

The game's concepts are flawed, and brutal towards anyone who hasn't been playing every day since the closed beta. The people who play constantly and have a constant supply of isk from EVE (seriously, get the payouts on EVE's level) will always win over people who just wanted to have some fun. At the current state, it's not about who's better, it's just about who has more SP and money.

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Sprog Intaki T.R.I.A.D 3	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:21:00 - [1] - Quote There's a ton of problems with dust right now. As a long time EVE player I decided to try dust a few months ago. I took a break since there were some serious game breaking issues, so I acquired a few million SP and a couple million isk to put towards skills and such. Even with SP under my belt, this game has so many problems and is so aggressive towards new people, I'm surprised this has any fanbase at all. grenades can apparently be thrown 60+ meters and deal over 900 damage fits become expensive so fast, there's no reason to use anything but the starter fits unless you know you can't die. isk payouts are meager at best, players that play constantly and have higher amount of SP get the same range as people who just start. Between 100k and 150k isk from my experience. the skill system is horrible to new people, it is in EVE, and it should have NEVER have been added to dust. Unless you've been playing for months and acquire enough isk to pay for all of your skillbooks, you're going to be stuck using the starter fits to pay for your skills, or pay for your skills and not have any money for your fits. bonuses from skills are not shown on weapons or modules, which is a huge problem and makes a tier 3 weapon feel like a militia weapon when you read the stats, even though in game you see an obvious difference. keyboard and mouse players have an advantage over controller users, they always have and always will. They have aim helper added on to their ability of precision that controller users are missing, making controller users feel lacking, or a keyboard and mouse almost mandatory. dropsuit skill requirements are insane, if someone wants to switch from a logistics user to assault, they need to somehow get 150,000 SP or more just for the suit. almost every stat for weapons are wrong. I can die from sniper rifle range from a grenade, which shows the maximum damage of 600, but magically deals almost 1000 damage. And assault rifles deal over 100 damage per shot from over 70m away, but a sniper rifle won't do even 100 unless you hit their head. The game's concepts are flawed, and brutal towards anyone who hasn't been playing every day since the closed beta. The people who play constantly and have a constant supply of isk from EVE (seriously, get the payouts on EVE's level) will always win over people who just wanted to have some fun. At the current state, it's not about who's better, it's just about who has more SP and money.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 969	Posted - 2013.10.31 02:35:00 - [2] - Quote well lets debunk this no they cant maybe sleek but they also get a longer fuse dont run what you cant afford agreed Lol it gets better(troll face) agreed then go use a keyboard its only 47k sp that 2 days of passive sp never heard of readline snipping have we? locus grenades do more damage to armor resulting in a insta-kill I dont have a constant supply of money from eve yet I still kill protos come back in 6 months you should have 3-4mill sp "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Sprog Intaki T.R.I.A.D 3	Posted - 2013.10.31 03:03:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: well lets debunk this no they cant maybe sleek but they also get a longer fuse dont run what you cant afford agreed Lol it gets better(troll face) agreed then go use a keyboard its only 47k sp that 2 days of passive sp never heard of readline snipping have we? locus grenades do more damage to armor resulting in a insta-kill I dont have a constant supply of money from eve yet I still kill protos come back in 6 months you should have 3-4mill sp I currently have almost 8 mil with the core skills maxed. I can't use a keyboard since I don't have a wireless keyboard and mouse to use on my ps3. The 47k is for the basic suits, anything beyond that becomes over 150k just to use an assault or logistics suit. And yes, you may kill proto suits, but you haven't anything about what you fit or use, or if you're even alone or with team members. Either way, you just told me to wait about 3 months just to get skills to be able to play the game effectively. This isn't EVE, it's a free to play fps that should let players go in and have a good time right of the bat. With the current setup, you would need to have months of constant playing to be at all effective in the game.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 796	Posted - 2013.10.31 05:09:00 - [4] - Quote Sprog Intaki wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: well lets debunk this no they cant maybe sleek but they also get a longer fuse dont run what you cant afford agreed Lol it gets better(troll face) agreed then go use a keyboard its only 47k sp that 2 days of passive sp never heard of readline snipping have we? locus grenades do more damage to armor resulting in a insta-kill I dont have a constant supply of money from eve yet I still kill protos come back in 6 months you should have 3-4mill sp I currently have almost 8 mil with the core skills maxed. I can't use a keyboard since I don't have a wireless keyboard and mouse to use on my ps3. The 47k is for the basic suits, anything beyond that becomes over 150k just to use an assault or logistics suit. And yes, you may kill proto suits, but you haven't anything about what you fit or use, or if you're even alone or with team members. Either way, you just told me to wait about 3 months just to get skills to be able to play the game effectively. This isn't EVE, it's a free to play fps that should let players go in and have a good time right of the bat. With the current setup, you would need to have months of constant playing to be at all effective in the game. as an eve player, I don't believe you're an eve player. you've not done your research. you've not made any legitimate arguments as to what's broken. and (correct me if i'm wrong) but 8 million sp does not max out the dropsuit upgrades tree, which is the 'core skills' tree. mind linking your eve killboard for me?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 796	Posted - 2013.10.31 05:15:00 - [5] - Quote http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Spr09 I think this is your eve alt. does that look like a 'long time eve player' to you?
m twiggz Eternal Beings 124	Posted - 2013.10.31 06:37:00 - [6] - Quote Sprog Intaki wrote: There's a ton of problems with dust right now. As a long time EVE player I decided to try dust a few months ago. I took a break since there were some serious game breaking issues, so I acquired a few million SP and a couple million isk to put towards skills and such. Even with SP under my belt, this game has so many problems and is so aggressive towards new people, I'm surprised this has any fanbase at all. grenades can apparently be thrown 60+ meters and deal over 900 damage fits become expensive so fast, there's no reason to use anything but the starter fits unless you know you can't die. isk payouts are meager at best, players that play constantly and have higher amount of SP get the same range as people who just start. Between 100k and 150k isk from my experience. the skill system is horrible to new people, it is in EVE, and it should have NEVER have been added to dust. Unless you've been playing for months and acquire enough isk to pay for all of your skillbooks, you're going to be stuck using the starter fits to pay for your skills, or pay for your skills and not have any money for your fits. bonuses from skills are not shown on weapons or modules, which is a huge problem and makes a tier 3 weapon feel like a militia weapon when you read the stats, even though in game you see an obvious difference. keyboard and mouse players have an advantage over controller users, they always have and always will. They have aim helper added on to their ability of precision that controller users are missing, making controller users feel lacking, or a keyboard and mouse almost mandatory. dropsuit skill requirements are insane, if someone wants to switch from a logistics user to assault, they need to somehow get 150,000 SP or more just for the suit. almost every stat for weapons are wrong. I can die from sniper rifle range from a grenade, which shows the maximum damage of 600, but magically deals almost 1000 damage. And assault rifles deal over 100 damage per shot from over 70m away, but a sniper rifle won't do even 100 unless you hit their head. The game's concepts are flawed, and brutal towards anyone who hasn't been playing every day since the closed beta. The people who play constantly and have a constant supply of isk from EVE (seriously, get the payouts on EVE's level) will always win over people who just wanted to have some fun. At the current state, it's not about who's better, it's just about who has more SP and money. Your heart is full of lies, as is your thread. I've been playing this game since the end of July, so I'm a relatively new player. I will admit moving from BF3 to this game was quite a feat. After a few weeks of playing I finally grasped it. The learning curve for this game is much different than "pick up and go" first person shooters. Now 3 months into playing DUST I have over 70 million ISK, 10 million skill points and am a mere 100,000 WP from the leaderboards. This game takes time to get used to, its by no means unplayable. New players can be just as effective as players with 20 million plus skill points. I'd also like to point out than the majority of your numbers are completely wrong, as are your statements.
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 324	Posted - 2013.10.31 08:46:00 - [7] - Quote Sprog Intaki wrote: As a long time EVE player I decided to try dust a few months ago. I took a break Hint: The game needs a while to update your matchmaking score. If you were competitive before you left the matchmaking is going to throw you into upper-tier matches where you will find people that have been playing continuously since you left. I experienced this myself with an alt that faired pretty well until I abandoned him. When I returned I had a 8 mil SP character that had to face 15-20 mil SP enemies. That was pretty tough. I decided to play a few matches with akimbo plasma cannons on a commando suit for fun until the matchmaking put me in games that fitted my actual level of performance better.
Sprog Intaki T.R.I.A.D 4	Posted - 2013.10.31 13:16:00 - [8] - Quote low genius wrote: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Spr09 I think this is your eve alt. does that look like a 'long time eve player' to you? Battle clinic means nothing, it doesn't, and never will have my API so a number of my early losses are missing. And so far everyone has called me out as a liar and still proved my point. The learning curve is awful, and new people are so far away from people who've played regularly that it's taking more and more time to get into the game and be effective as the regular player's skills get higher. And by core skills I mean having dropauit upgrades maxed out and weaponry skills maxed. But without those being shown on my weapon or dropsuit at times, it feels like they don't actually do anything at all.


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