I like to see people giving out about the upcoming changes to AV. You've had it coming, and stop complaining about how it's going to look about in the future vs. Tanks. I see nobodys saying 'but we won't have any way to fend off stomping dropship pilots' , ... it's because dropship pilots rarely get a chance to make any impact. Why, you say? Because it only takes one swarm launcher, one forge gunner or one rail installation user to remove the threat of even the most skilled of pilots from the battlefield.
Stop your whining, you'll have together to take out vehicles, which is what it should be. Vehicle users spend more ISK and SP than you, in an open one vs one battle, they should always crush you. Only where you use your surroundings and fellow teammates to help, then you should overcome the vehicular opposition, unless they fail due to pilot error otherwise.

Your roll eyes emote and your 1 line dismissive response lies on-top of a confusing point. Your say that SP should not add value, i.e superior abilities or gear. If this is not the function of SP as you say then what do you think skill points should do? What are they for in your version of DUST?

King you are straw manning. This is not useful. My question was about added value. Nothing about default domination or inherent superiority.

It doesn't take 20 mil SP to use AV well. Not even close.

Just saying King...

1v1 Tanker vs AV- Tanker spends 10 Mill to get where they are at, AV spends 5 Mill......

1vs 2 Tanker vs AVers- Tanker spends 10 Mill to get where they are at, AV spend, between them 10 Million. Balance of SP, ISK, and effort is equalised.

You said you spent almost all of it into AV, so es you did.

call of duty logic, don't question it or you will be flamed

Also to beat this horse some more, since no one listened in closed beta.

Swarm = forget and fire scrub weapon that would be frustrating to know end as a vehicle driver. (9/10 times this same person uses the AR hmmm)

Forge = have to aim with direct sight, has enough drawbacks that the vehicle driver can counter (can't tell you how many mexican standoffs i've had with a vehicle trying to line up that final shot and getting evaporated by a rail tank, that is how its supposed to work and is actually fun)

Back in june of 2012 the nerfs on the HMG started, I predicted that you will lose your Heavy's and in the end lose the best and fairest (yes even fair to the pilot/driver) AV.

Segue to the end of 2013 HMG heavy's are like unicorns and instead the FG is used on infantry, vehicle drivers get nothing but swarm spam and can't move. You got what you asked for when every scrub complained they couldn't toe to toe with an HMG and their AR. The specialist moved on and you're stuck with this. You cannot entertain the discussion of vehicles and AV without talking about the HEAVY and its purpose, you dicked with the HMG and tied the Heavy specialist hand behind there back to point they gave up please continue this trend its really working out well for everyone. In the end I see everyone running around with Medium frame suits and AR/Swarm regardless if they are behind the wheel or on the ground the TTK in either situation will be .02 seconds and this game dies like a fart in a hurricane.

Honestly, both sides need to relax. CCP is rescaling everything while limiting the how dominant both sides are going to be by making it harder for each side to kill each other and making vehicles more accessible to new players.

Let me guess, you want your Duvolle to be able to destroy that 50mil ISK tank in less than two magazines?

So you say you have almost 20 mil into AV, then say it's not possible to spend 20 mil in AV. So what is it?

lol I could see why people would think that. I don't care what he does and I don't associate with him.