DUST Search - Dual Wielding Sidearms

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Colt Walker44 wrote:

My buddy and I have been waiting for a dual wield option on Dust ever since we saw the Minmitar Logistics Dropsuit photo HERE and we have been debating a possible way to pull it off while keeping the dropsuit fittings the way they are currently set up.

Today I recalled playing Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X where both weapons were included in a single weapon slot. My theory would be, a light weapon fitting of two sidearms with a wider reticle. This way there wouldn't need to be specific suits or equipment needed to use such a setup. There would, of course, be a Dual-Wielding Skillbook required to use such weapons, each level giving a 5% increase to accuracy.

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In my mind, the firearms would have to be modified, smaller, less powerful versions of Sidearms to compensate for the CPU and PG usage of two weapons being in one slot. The accuracy would also take a significant decrease due to not being able to aim down the sights properly. They would be less accurate than a Light Weapon or Sidearm, but combined their hitpoints would fall somewhere between Light Weapon and Sidearm damage.

What do you guys think?

NO.

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Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 2	Posted - 2013.10.30 15:50:00 - [1] - Quote My buddy and I have been waiting for a dual wield option on Dust ever since we saw the Minmitar Logistics Dropsuit photo HERE and we have been debating a possible way to pull it off while keeping the dropsuit fittings the way they are currently set up. Today I recalled playing Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X where both weapons were included in a single weapon slot. My theory would be, a light weapon fitting of two sidearms with a wider reticle. This way there wouldn't need to be specific suits or equipment needed to use such a setup. There would, of course, be a Dual-Wielding Skillbook required to use such weapons, each level giving a 5% increase to accuracy. What do you guys think?
Olomo Daygon ZionTCD Public Disorder. 7	Posted - 2013.10.30 16:13:00 - [2] - Quote Colt Walker44 wrote: My buddy and I have been waiting for a dual wield option on Dust ever since we saw the Minmitar Logistics Dropsuit photo HERE and we have been debating a possible way to pull it off while keeping the dropsuit fittings the way they are currently set up. Today I recalled playing Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X where both weapons were included in a single weapon slot. My theory would be, a light weapon fitting of two sidearms with a wider reticle. This way there wouldn't need to be specific suits or equipment needed to use such a setup. There would, of course, be a Dual-Wielding Skill-book required to use such weapons, each level giving a 5% increase to accuracy. What do you guys think? My first thought is, No, reason being is it would totally mess with the balances that are currently in place. If your good with one sidearm it can be just as deadly as an AR, i know its less damaging. But giving people two pistols would make it feel too generic. Just my two cents.
Baltazar Pontain Phantom Universe Task Force Orion Empire 21	Posted - 2013.10.30 16:38:00 - [3] - Quote I had that topic for my own: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=113349 I would like to see that. Of course you cannot take sidearms like they are at the moment. They would need some changes. +1 from me because I like akimbo
Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 3	Posted - 2013.10.30 16:45:00 - [4] - Quote Olomo Daygon wrote: Colt Walker44 wrote: My buddy and I have been waiting for a dual wield option on Dust ever since we saw the Minmitar Logistics Dropsuit photo HERE and we have been debating a possible way to pull it off while keeping the dropsuit fittings the way they are currently set up. Today I recalled playing Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X where both weapons were included in a single weapon slot. My theory would be, a light weapon fitting of two sidearms with a wider reticle. This way there wouldn't need to be specific suits or equipment needed to use such a setup. There would, of course, be a Dual-Wielding Skill-book required to use such weapons, each level giving a 5% increase to accuracy. What do you guys think? My first thought is, No, reason being is it would totally mess with the balances that are currently in place. If your good with one sidearm it can be just as deadly as an AR, i know its less damaging. But giving people two pistols would make it feel too generic. Just my two cents. Thank you for your two cents. I agree with both you and Baltazar Pontain in that balancing is important. In my mind, the firearms would have to be modified, smaller, less powerful versions to compensate for the CPU and PG usage of two weapons being in one slot. The accuracy would also take a significant decrease due to not being able to aim down the sights properly. They would be less accurate than a Light Weapon or Sidearm, but combined their hitpoints would fall somewhere between Light Weapon and Sidearm damage. Thank you for the feedback, guys!
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1231	Posted - 2013.10.30 17:21:00 - [5] - Quote i don't think this idea could be balanced well, simply because of the dps 1 merc would be able to put out , just imagine all you would see id dual wielded toxin smg's everywhere. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 3	Posted - 2013.10.30 17:28:00 - [6] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: i don't think this idea could be balanced well, simply because of the dps 1 merc would be able to put out , just imagine all you would see id dual wielded toxin smg's everywhere. As I have posted, they would be smaller, less powerful, modified versions of our sidearms. Their combined DPS would fall between Light Weapons and Sidearm DPS, plus the drop in accuracy.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3561	Posted - 2013.10.30 17:48:00 - [7] - Quote I kinda want it.... .... but knowing what can be done with a Prototype SMG would be insane. Having two of those would throw off any kind of balance what so ever considering it practically has the same fire-rate as an HMG but with more damage. Accuracy would be a bit off, sure, but when you've got a Scout running around with two of those monsters it could be crazy to balance. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 3	Posted - 2013.10.30 17:56:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: I kinda want it.... .... but knowing what can be done with a Prototype SMG would be insane. Having two of those would throw off any kind of balance what so ever considering it practically has the same fire-rate as an HMG but with more damage. Accuracy would be a bit off, sure, but when you've got a Scout running around with two of those monsters it could be crazy to balance. As I have posted, they would not be the Sidearms that we know currently, but smaller, less powerful weapons. Maybe I should change the title of the thread. That's probably where the confusion is coming in.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2334	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:17:00 - [9] - Quote We need dual wield. "It's because of people like you that I became this. And you'll never give me a reason to become someone else."
Spademan The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 368	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:31:00 - [10] - Quote So basically, make brand new types of weapons that would fit into light slots that a merc has two of? Like the Nova Knives, except not neccesarrily melee weapons. Could work. I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.

Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 3	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:32:00 - [11] - Quote Spademan wrote: So basically, make brand new types of weapons that would fit into light slots that a merc has two of? Like the Nova Knives, except not neccesarrily melee weapons. Could work. Exactly. Thank you for your input.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 682	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:37:00 - [12] - Quote Hmm. This could be done. You would have to fit two identical sidearms(no ScP+SMG or ASMG+BSMG, ect.) in both of your weapon slots. You could use both of them at the same time by selecting them in the selection wheel, their icon would look like two weapons, and would use the heavy weapon selection area (about 10 o' clock on the wheel). They would have pros and cons of course. Pros: -Higher EDPS -Ability to constantly fire by reloading one while the other is firing Cons: -Less accuracy than a single sidearm -Longer reload times -Faster ammo consumption -No Light Weapons or Heavy Weapons (less range) [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 3	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:43:00 - [13] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Hmm. This could be done. You would have to fit two identical sidearms(no ScP+SMG or ASMG+BSMG, ect.) in both of your weapon slots. You could use both of them at the same time by selecting them in the selection wheel, their icon would look like two weapons, and would use the heavy weapon selection area (about 10 o' clock on the wheel). They would have pros and cons of course. Pros: -Higher EDPS -Ability to constantly fire by reloading one while the other is firing Cons: -Less accuracy than a single sidearm -Longer reload times -Faster ammo consumption -No Light Weapons or Heavy Weapons (less range) I figured they could both be put in the light weapon slot, since it is the most common slot, and light weapons can be placed in heavy weapon slots. The pair would be purchased as exactly that, a pair, and would both occupy one slot. Switching to these would be the same as swapping to your AR mid fight. Reload would be at the same time for both, and firing would by done by pressing the same trigger we always press, resulting in both firearms firing.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 85	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:48:00 - [14] - Quote Colt Walker44 wrote: My buddy and I have been waiting for a dual wield option on Dust ever since we saw the Minmitar Logistics Dropsuit photo HERE and we have been debating a possible way to pull it off while keeping the dropsuit fittings the way they are currently set up. Today I recalled playing Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X where both weapons were included in a single weapon slot. My theory would be, a light weapon fitting of two sidearms with a wider reticle. This way there wouldn't need to be specific suits or equipment needed to use such a setup. There would, of course, be a Dual-Wielding Skillbook required to use such weapons, each level giving a 5% increase to accuracy. *EDIT* In my mind, the firearms would have to be modified, smaller, less powerful versions of Sidearms to compensate for the CPU and PG usage of two weapons being in one slot. The accuracy would also take a significant decrease due to not being able to aim down the sights properly. They would be less accurate than a Light Weapon or Sidearm, but combined their hitpoints would fall somewhere between Light Weapon and Sidearm damage. What do you guys think? NO.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 683	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:49:00 - [15] - Quote I put the combined sidearms in the heavy slot so each sidearm could be used individually if desired. I don't think having two sidearms + a light/heavy weapon would be very balanced, because you wouldn't be giving up something significant to be able to daul wield sidearms, which would actually be quite deadly. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 3	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:55:00 - [16] - Quote The two would take the place of a heavy or light weapon. The only combos we have right now are HVY+SDRM, LGHT+LGHT, LGHT, and LGHT+SDRM. "Dual Wield" would be your light weapon, technically, leaving you a sidearm, another light weapon, or nothing.
Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 3	Posted - 2013.10.30 18:59:00 - [17] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Colt Walker44 wrote: My buddy and I have been waiting for a dual wield option on Dust ever since we saw the Minmitar Logistics Dropsuit photo HERE and we have been debating a possible way to pull it off while keeping the dropsuit fittings the way they are currently set up. Today I recalled playing Resident Evil - Code: Veronica X where both weapons were included in a single weapon slot. My theory would be, a light weapon fitting of two sidearms with a wider reticle. This way there wouldn't need to be specific suits or equipment needed to use such a setup. There would, of course, be a Dual-Wielding Skillbook required to use such weapons, each level giving a 5% increase to accuracy. *EDIT* In my mind, the firearms would have to be modified, smaller, less powerful versions of Sidearms to compensate for the CPU and PG usage of two weapons being in one slot. The accuracy would also take a significant decrease due to not being able to aim down the sights properly. They would be less accurate than a Light Weapon or Sidearm, but combined their hitpoints would fall somewhere between Light Weapon and Sidearm damage. What do you guys think? NO. Why no? I'm looking for input, not absolutions.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 683	Posted - 2013.10.30 19:05:00 - [18] - Quote Colt Walker44 wrote: The two would take the place of a heavy or light weapon. The only combos we have right now are HVY+SDRM, LGHT+LGHT, LGHT, and LGHT+SDRM. "Dual Wield" would be your light weapon, technically, leaving you a sidearm, another light weapon, or nothing. I don't know, I don't like the idea of even smaller sidearms, because that would require the guys at CCP to make all new weapons. Two sidearms is arguably better than a light weapon, and two SMGs are easily better than an HMG. I know you don't want to leave logis out of dual wielding, but that might be just what is needed to stop people from calling them OP. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Burner of faces. The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 101	Posted - 2013.10.30 19:17:00 - [19] - Quote The image that is conjured up was from Borderlands 2, although I would not be opposed to the heavy commando role into the "gunzerker". Assault Rifle Mass Driver combo, **** YEAH!!
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 35	Posted - 2013.10.30 19:49:00 - [20] - Quote Well, let's give it to the Commando, give them some exclusive OP-ness... Real issue, nerfing people named Travis.

Colt Walker44 Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 5	Posted - 2013.10.30 19:55:00 - [21] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Well, let's give it to the Commando, give them some exclusive OP-ness... Real issue, nerfing people named Travis. Yes, Nerf the Travis, haha.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 102	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:08:00 - [22] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Well, let's give it to the Commando, give them some exclusive OP-ness... Real issue, nerfing people named Travis. God knows lolmando have never been FOTM/OP. Also yeah, eff that guy lol.
SickJ sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 104	Posted - 2013.10.30 20:19:00 - [23] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Hmm. This could be done. You would have to fit two identical sidearms(no ScP+SMG or ASMG+BSMG, ect.) in both of your weapon slots. You could use both of them at the same time by selecting them in the selection wheel, their icon would look like two weapons, and would use the heavy weapon selection area (about 10 o' clock on the wheel). They would have pros and cons of course. Pros: -Higher EDPS -Ability to constantly fire by reloading one while the other is firing Cons: -Less hipfire accuracy than a single sidearm -Cannot ADS -Longer reload times -Faster ammo consumption -No Light Weapons or Heavy Weapons (less range) Reduced accuracy and twice the reload time for twice the damage sounds fair to me.
Arc-08 Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 119	Posted - 2013.10.30 21:00:00 - [24] - Quote i suppose this would work, but you just have both weapons as sidearms and instead of having 2 sidearms you switch between you just dual wield them. Benefits: Wider AOE Potential for more damage Looking likea boss Downsides: Probably would go through ammo faster Reloading would take longer potential to miss more shots . yeah i know the list is screwed up Advanced Recon Commando's (A.R.C's) --- Yeah, you don't want to mess with us.
Demel Derpovsky Derringer Defenses 24	Posted - 2013.10.31 00:38:00 - [25] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: Well, let's give it to the Commando, give them some exclusive OP-ness... Real issue, nerfing people named Travis. Really agree with giving it to Commando....also make commando more OP, not completely, but Commando should be the independent, hard flanking, in the trenches alone amidst piles of bodies while throwing grenades and yelling "This is for you momma!" type of suit, not the trash it currently is. My idea is dual wielding with the option to scope in(not sure how...), the only difference is hire recoil and the need to get in closer and grittier. Maybe the dual wielding should only work with Commandos and sidearms only. This could in fact revive the Commando. You have a dropsuit, sniper rifle in one slot, 2 submachineguns in the other, and your just running around, gunning and then sniping some people off in the distance.


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