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Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 65	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:51:00 - [1] - Quote The small railgun turrets are the worst turrets in the game they the most inaccurate weapons in dust. So im just wondering why is there only 24 rounds for the small railgun turret and why hasnt CCP done anything to fix these turrets. They are next to impossible to use on a dropship they dont do any damage to vechicles or installations but in the description are labeled as effective against vechiles and installations. The sights for the small railgun turret are off why doesnt it have the same sights as the large railgun it just has a stupid dot ive gotten kills with it on infantry at 280m but these kills are extremely rare. The ammunition for small railrun turrets should remain unlimited until CCP finds a way to fix them. That one kill I manage to get takes an entire round of skirmish to get.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2428	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:57:00 - [2] - Quote I can only hope that they rework small railgun turrets. I've been protesting that these guns need to be fixed for a year+ now and they still haven't done ***. I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.*
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 969	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:58:00 - [3] - Quote Yup, they really suck. And they will still suck after the vehicle update, looking at the numbers. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 11332	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:59:00 - [4] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Yup, they really suck. And they will still suck after the vehicle update, looking at the numbers. I love you Level 5 Forum Warrior Prof 5 Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 488	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:00:00 - [5] - Quote small rails...most overlooked weapon in the game. probably the worst. i'd rather have nova knives on my dropsuit than carry around a small rail turret on my dropsuit if i had the option.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 65	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:02:00 - [6] - Quote This turret is only useful on a Lav and you are left extremely vulanerable when using it because a sniper can easily take you out though your shots are pretty much invisible. If someone were to just pull up the map they can easily find you anc call you out to a scout and boom thale's or charged sniper to the head you're dead.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 970	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:06:00 - [7] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Yup, they really suck. And they will still suck after the vehicle update, looking at the numbers. I love you I love you for loving me. Let's spread the love. Love > Everything. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 11334	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:11:00 - [8] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: General John Ripper wrote: Keri Starlight wrote: Yup, they really suck. And they will still suck after the vehicle update, looking at the numbers. I love you I love you for loving me. Let's spread the love. Love > Everything. I love you more than I love tacos. Level 5 Forum Warrior Prof 5 Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 973	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:13:00 - [9] - Quote General John Ripper wrote: I love you more than I love tacos. Ok, I'm seriously blushing now. -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
General John Ripper MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 11334	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:15:00 - [10] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: General John Ripper wrote: I love you more than I love tacos. Ok, I'm seriously blushing now. Call me Level 5 Forum Warrior Prof 5 Founder of the Forum Warrior Club King of Tacos

Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 857	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:16:00 - [11] - Quote No, no, no. You misread. Those are Small Plasma Cannon Turrets.
Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1337	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:20:00 - [12] - Quote Have them deal 100% damage to vehicles instead of 33%, make aiming from a fast moving LAV work (I.e. If I'm aiming at A, and the driver does a 180, I still need to be aiming at A. ), and vastly increase the turning speed on ALL small turrets. I just made the "How to fix LAVs" plan. Annnnnnnnnd... Execute! Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really!
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 974	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:24:00 - [13] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: No, no, no. You misread. Those are Small Plasma Cannon Turrets. That would explain a lot of things!! -Caldari Achura - One with the Universe -Tac AR Specialist "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 66	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:27:00 - [14] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Have them deal 100% damage to vehicles instead of 33%, make aiming from a fast moving LAV work (I.e. If I'm aiming at A, and the driver does a 180, I still need to be aiming at A. ), and vastly increase the turning speed on ALL small turrets. I just made the "How to fix LAVs" plan. Annnnnnnnnd... Execute! By the looks of things in 1.7 the max ammo in the Small Railgun turret will be 30 max damage to vechiles may be a bit much they do 108% on damage on infantry which i do like its just if you put it on a any vehicle other than a Lav it sucks ive tried using it as an anti air turret on a tank it works nicely it gets pesky dropships to back off but if you need to kill infantry at close range its useless.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2430	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:35:00 - [15] - Quote where are people getting these turret stats? Can I get a link please I may have deleted DUST but I still care deeply about this game.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 67	Posted - 2013.10.30 05:39:00 - [16] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: where are people getting these turret stats? Can I get a link please http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65170/1/Turret_Changes.png I'm mainly talking about the current stats atm though and how useless theres turrets are atm iirc the current blast radius for these turret is 0.65m. Now does the new stats suggest they've updated it to 0.85m or is it 85m which would be insane? Even if brought to .85 meters it sucks it should be the same blast radius as missile turrets. A fart has a larger blast radius than a small railgun turret.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 67	Posted - 2013.10.30 11:49:00 - [17] - Quote ~Bump~ Something needs to be done about these turrets at least give them a larger blast radius and better sights instead of a single dot on screen.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 67	Posted - 2013.10.31 05:56:00 - [18] - Quote bump
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4375	Posted - 2013.10.31 05:57:00 - [19] - Quote Should totes make them a hitscan weapon. Never forget King of airborne swine.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 67	Posted - 2013.10.31 05:59:00 - [20] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Should totes make them a hitscan weapon. what is a hitscan weapon?

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1590	Posted - 2013.10.31 06:32:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I can only hope that they rework small railgun turrets. I've been protesting that these guns need to be fixed for a year+ now and they still haven't done ****. How come I knew you'd post here... CEO of The Corporate Raiders, We're still recruiting... Level 1 Forum Warrior
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 68	Posted - 2013.11.01 11:44:00 - [22] - Quote These are probably the most overlooked turrets since beta they are very inaccurate and also borderline useless
Lorhak Gannarsein 514	Posted - 2013.11.01 11:59:00 - [23] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Should totes make them a hitscan weapon. what is a hitscan weapon? has no travel time, basically. They seem to suffer from the same ill as small missiles; that the movement of the vehicle applies to the projectile. Their hit detection is also shocking. If they went where you pointed them, and hit things when your aim was on target, they'd be beastly. Especially since they'll have decent range in 1.7. Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1688	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:11:00 - [24] - Quote I think small railguns should be the 'sniper' of vehicle turrets. Give it 400m range, and for the love of God at least give it the same if not more damage than missile turrets. If we do this, overheat and splash can stay the same, and we'll start seeing some new, interesting tactics, like dropships hovering 400m in the air firing down. These won't be able to be countered by swarms, so it will encourage an enemy railgun tank to come out, OR another dropship for some aerial combat. Oh yessss, aerial combat. > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
Lorhak Gannarsein 516	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:30:00 - [25] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I think small railguns should be the 'sniper' of vehicle turrets. Give it 400m range, and for the love of God at least give it the same if not more damage than missile turrets. If we do this, overheat and splash can stay the same, and we'll start seeing some new, interesting tactics, like dropships hovering 400m in the air firing down. These won't be able to be countered by swarms, so it will encourage an enemy railgun tank to come out, OR another dropship for some aerial combat. Oh yessss, aerial combat. Well, they're buffing them to 300m, from whatever pathetic number it is now... Too busy clicking cookies to play DUST...
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 69	Posted - 2013.11.04 05:34:00 - [26] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: I think small railguns should be the 'sniper' of vehicle turrets. Give it 400m range, and for the love of God at least give it the same if not more damage than missile turrets. If we do this, overheat and splash can stay the same, and we'll start seeing some new, interesting tactics, like dropships hovering 400m in the air firing down. These won't be able to be countered by swarms, so it will encourage an enemy railgun tank to come out, OR another dropship for some aerial combat. Oh yessss, aerial combat. Well, they're buffing them to 300m, from whatever pathetic number it is now... They do have a range of 300m I use the turrets to snipe or to attack dropships since the blasts can throw them off course. Whats bothering me is that we can't get a dev to weigh in on this. Why are the sights on the turret so horrible they do need to be upped to 400m though. They do more damage than missiles its just the splash damage is pathetic 0.65m blast raidus sub 100 dmg, its almost sinful.
Rusty Shallows Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 463	Posted - 2013.11.04 06:48:00 - [27] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: CCP finds a way to fix them. Get comfortable it may be a long wait. Back when there was only the Line Harvest map to play on I tried setting up a dropship with a small missile and small rail pair. I didn't keep that fit for long. "She may not be Miss Right but she'll do right now," Thank you SR-71
Koan Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 22	Posted - 2013.11.04 07:43:00 - [28] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: small rails...most overlooked weapon in the game. probably the worst. i'd rather have nova knives on my dropsuit than carry around a small rail turret on my dropsuit if i had the option. I dont know mate. Being able to carry one of those around with the damage specs on a dropsuit might be pretty ** >.> Your much more stable on foot than any of the vehicles. Though ill say all the light turret targeting reticles are **. Should replace them with the heavies reticle and make them not fire in a straight line. Maybe a little dispersal in a tightish circle would make them more useful on things like the lav.
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2008	Posted - 2013.11.04 07:48:00 - [29] - Quote Small Rails are currently being reworked to be made more viable. That being said, a skilled user can use them currently to one shot almost any infantry. 0101001101101111011011110110111010011001 Dust 514 101
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2578	Posted - 2013.11.04 07:56:00 - [30] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Small Rails are currently being reworked to be made more viable. That being said, a skilled user can use them currently to one shot almost any infantry. Skilled user? You mean a person that is able to find a target that is standing perfectly still for 20 seconds so you can finally get a shot to land on him. Skill has 0% to do with railguns. You can be Nod Keras for all I care and you would still have to rely on chance to land a shot because the railgun is incredibly inaccurate. The newer the berry the dumber the juice.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9850	Posted - 2013.11.04 08:38:00 - [31] - Quote The small rail gun turret has been tweaked for the vehicle update to be more like a rail rifle upsized or that's the intended goal well find out when the update hits. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Curren/t Theme \\= Advanced Heavy Machine Gun =// Unlocked.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1596	Posted - 2013.11.04 08:50:00 - [32] - Quote I laughed all the way through the OP. Small rails are bull kitten. Check out & sub my youtube. Yay!
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 891	Posted - 2013.11.04 09:47:00 - [33] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Small Rails are currently being reworked to be made more viable. That being said, a skilled user can use them currently to one shot almost any infantry. Normal Small Plasma Cannon Turrets deal between 250 and 350 damage. With Turret Operation 5 and Small Hybrid Turret Operation 5 you get a 15% modifier. The regular Prototype Small Plasma Cannon Turret deals 357.5 damage. You deal around 410 damage per shot, with maximum skills. Add a Low Throughput Field Stabilizer II and you hit 450. I don't know about you, but my standard Amarr Logistics fitting has over 500 HP without Shield Extenders. You're fully buffed regular Prototype SPCT won't be OHKOing anything except glass cannons/Minmatars/Scouts. Now, the Compressed variety isn't as bad. A direct hit is worth 680 damage after skills and a Field Stabilizer. It won't be OHKOing anything that's tanked itself. An mk.0 (proto Minmatar Assault) with level 5 shielding and armor, 3 Complex Shield Extenders and 2 Basic Plates has over 700 HP, with room for 2 Complex Damage Modifiers left over. You'll OHKO most proto suits that neglect extenders and plates, or are Scouts/Minmatar without mostly health buffs. Considering the standard and advanced tiers, it is fair to say that the Compressed variant with all damage modifiers at prototype tier can OHKO most suits. The problems with the SRTs run deeper than that, though. Okay, you've fully modded out your HAV, maxed your turret damage and got the prototype compressed SRT on there. Now all you have to do is actually hit something (that has less than 700 health). Good luck. At close range, the blasters will always be better. At medium range, you might get a few kills if you're very skilled. At long range? Good luck hitting anything with that tiny dot to aim with, unless it's staying perfectly still and you've got half a minute to aim. Oh, and then there is the charge up time and the overheat. Did I mention the collision detection issues? Hmm, better make sure the HAV isn't moving when you fire, also. Really, you can do better by stopping the HAV, having your gunners hop out of your million dollar brick, hop on top and pull out a Charge Sniper Rifle than stop and try to kill people with the Small Plasma Cannon Turrets. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 71	Posted - 2013.11.04 11:14:00 - [34] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Small Rails are currently being reworked to be made more viable. That being said, a skilled user can use them currently to one shot almost any infantry. This is just not true the problem is that the SRT is very very inaccurate even if you put the sights directly on a target even if the target is as pertified as a statue you will miss. You need to aim above the target and try to guess where the round will drop not having any sights to aid you makes this extremely difficult. The Compressed variant is the only OHK SRT but it doesnt have the 300m kill range its around 250m. Well at least 250m i dont recall killing anyone with it at 300m but ill try today to verify this. Close range though this thing is absolute crap you have to compensate for every angle the vehicle is at because any variation in degrees throws your shot off. You would think that in the future there would be some gyroscopic stablizers like the ones used in filming. You have to be very very skilled and until I see a QQ thread about SRT being OP im going to assume that no player like that exists.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 73	Posted - 2013.11.06 06:12:00 - [35] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: The small rail gun turret has been tweaked for the vehicle update to be more like a rail rifle upsized or that's the intended goal well find out when the update hits. I hope that it comes with better sights because they are just awful. Will there still be compressed and regulated versions?
dogmanpig black market bank 31	Posted - 2013.11.06 06:26:00 - [36] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: Small Rails are currently being reworked to be made more viable. That being said, a skilled user can use them currently to one shot almost any infantry. your on crack, pass the drugs. you had way more then you can handle. base commando has more HP the direct damage and most infantry will pack that much hp if not more. You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way. Level 7 1/3 Forum alt. "Its worth half a penny and a reach around"


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