DUST Search - Pilot suit - Sidearm only, Extra Equipment Slot

Cosgar wrote:

Samuel Zelik wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Samuel Zelik wrote:

A racial Scout (or preferably all of them) rightfully deserves that extra equipment slot; Pilots have no business getting an extra equipment slot. I'm betting that one of the new racial Scouts will be like the old type-IIs; that also seems consensus among some others (I've heard some say the Amarr Scout will get the extra slot), too.

That extra equipment slot could help an LAV driver with dropping uplinks while carrying a repper for their vehicle if they can't fit one.
But I agree, all light frames should come with a second equipment slot, pilots included.

The way I interpret the Pilot role is being dedicated to using vehicles. The point at which a Pilot can both drop uplinks and rep or drop uplinks and active scan detracts from the uniqueness of how the Scout role should function.

So, just because another suit of the same frame can do the exact same thing you can, that's a bad thing? That's like a logistics complaining about an assault that carries equipment.


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Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 75	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:01:00 - [1] - Quote A racial Scout (or preferably all of them) rightfully deserves that extra equipment slot; Pilots have no business getting an extra equipment slot. I'm betting that one of the new racial Scouts will be like the old type-IIs; that also seems consensus among some others (I've heard some say the Amarr Scout will get the extra slot), too.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 75	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:24:00 - [2] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: A racial Scout (or preferably all of them) rightfully deserves that extra equipment slot; Pilots have no business getting an extra equipment slot. I'm betting that one of the new racial Scouts will be like the old type-IIs; that also seems consensus among some others (I've heard some say the Amarr Scout will get the extra slot), too. That extra equipment slot could help an LAV driver with dropping uplinks while carrying a repper for their vehicle if they can't fit one. But I agree, all light frames should come with a second equipment slot, pilots included. The way I interpret the Pilot role is being dedicated to using vehicles. The point at which a Pilot can both drop uplinks and rep or drop uplinks and active scan detracts from the uniqueness of how the Scout role should function.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 77	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:56:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: Cosgar wrote: Samuel Zelik wrote: A racial Scout (or preferably all of them) rightfully deserves that extra equipment slot; Pilots have no business getting an extra equipment slot. I'm betting that one of the new racial Scouts will be like the old type-IIs; that also seems consensus among some others (I've heard some say the Amarr Scout will get the extra slot), too. That extra equipment slot could help an LAV driver with dropping uplinks while carrying a repper for their vehicle if they can't fit one. But I agree, all light frames should come with a second equipment slot, pilots included. The way I interpret the Pilot role is being dedicated to using vehicles. The point at which a Pilot can both drop uplinks and rep or drop uplinks and active scan detracts from the uniqueness of how the Scout role should function. So, just because another suit of the same frame can do the exact same thing you can, that's a bad thing? That's like a logistics complaining about an assault that carries equipment. I never said it was a bad thing, I'm merely stating that it takes away from another role and to an extent, steps outside the boundaries of what the Pilot role should be. Logis can do the job of about every other Dropsuit. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. Does it detract from the value of having those other roles? Yes. What's the benefit of being a Scout if I can just use a Logi? What's the benefit of being a Scout if a Pilot can use the same equipment (something very important to Scouts) AND gives bonuses to the vehicles? The Pilot suit would essentially take away half of the Scout's unique function and role on the battlefield.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 78	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:16:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: It's just a second slot. What if a dropship pilot wants to help a sniper out by laying an uplink and ammo for him on a building? I'm just saying that all light suits should get a second equipment slot and if a pilot suit (which is probably going to be squishier than a scout) is going to be limited to sidearms, he should at least get that extra utility that all the other light frames should get. The thing is, it's not just a second slot; slots define Dropsuits. The Heavy weapon slot and lack of the equipment slot for the Sentinal defines its role; the two Light weapon slots and equipment slot on a Commando define its role. I'm not sure of any Sniper who carries something other than a Drop Uplink or Ammo as equipment... maybe the occasional Scanner. Either way, if there's anyone in the Dropship besides Heavies, they'll probably have something. Otherwise, snipers tend to carry their own ammo, so the Pilot would only need the uplinks. All light frames should not get an extra equipment slot; that's similar to saying all medium frames should get the same number of equipment slots, or all heavy frames should get the same number of equipment slots. There are factors which define roles with each frame category, equipment slots being one of them (as mentioned before). The Pilot's extra utility is he gives bonuses to vehicles. There's very little reason for a Pilot doing his job to leave his vehicle, but if he does, his role should be to support his own or another's vehicle, not step into the shoes of a Scout or psuedo-Logi.
Samuel Zelik D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 79	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:28:00 - [5] - Quote Sargon Akkadi wrote: Regarding Pilot vs. Scout roles. I would expect this Pilot suit to make a good "wheelman". Particularly a Minnie suit with 2 sidearm slots, able to jump out and harass, or provide quick support to an exposed fireteam. In the described version, the Gal. pilot could serve a small logistics role as others have cited. Presumably bonuses would be different (e.g. no profile dampening) but I am not ready to comment on what those would be. My main point is a sidearm only Light suit for the Pilots. Yeah, I agree to the sidearm only for Pilots. Wouldn't be against a dual-wielding sidearm Pilot, but it'd either have to sac the equipment slot or some modules for it (as compared to the other racial Pilots, which presumably get a base of 1 sidearm and 1 equipment slot).