DUST Search - being punnished for seceding

Exmaple Core wrote:

CCP Eterne wrote:

Hello everyone,

I see there is some confusion about this because it wasn't messaged properly. I'm rather confused how it was left out of the official messaging for the hotfix deployed on October 24.

Regardless, this is the patch note for the hotfix:

"Apply a limiter, capping the warpoint gained per minute of the players who are farming warpoints or cheating."

This is to prevent people from setting up a scheme where a friend runs in and dies, then gets revived by a teammate, only to die again, and this happens over and over.

We of course want your feedback about it on if the limiter is too strict.

Okay cool, Lisa Micheal will have a hard time boosting now. But now the people who are effective at the game dont get warpoints...? Killers get their only feed of WP reduced, logis simply dont generate orbitals now, tanks are not rewarded for flanking infantry.

Yeah, it stops that pair in the red zone from getting 300k isk at the end of the game, but it also prevents true team players and combatants from affording their gear that they are losing? As in, people who are actually playing to win, are making reduced profits?

Sure, the 30% of the player base (hugely exagerated number, but lets pad it) can not boost anymore, but 70% of the player base is now suffering? Is this a real fix??

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Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1585	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:20:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Eterne wrote: Hello everyone, I see there is some confusion about this because it wasn't messaged properly. I'm rather confused how it was left out of the official messaging for the hotfix deployed on October 24. Regardless, this is the patch note for the hotfix: "Apply a limiter, capping the warpoint gained per minute of the players who are farming warpoints or cheating." This is to prevent people from setting up a scheme where a friend runs in and dies, then gets revived by a teammate, only to die again, and this happens over and over. We of course want your feedback about it on if the limiter is too strict. Okay cool, Lisa Micheal will have a hard time boosting now. But now the people who are effective at the game dont get warpoints...? Killers get their only feed of WP reduced, logis simply dont generate orbitals now, tanks are not rewarded for flanking infantry. Yeah, it stops that pair in the red zone from getting 300k isk at the end of the game, but it also prevents true team players and combatants from affording their gear that they are losing? As in, people who are actually playing to win, are making reduced profits? Sure, the 30% of the player base (hugely exagerated number, but lets pad it) can not boost anymore, but 70% of the player base is now suffering? Is this a real fix??
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7333	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:22:00 - [2] - Quote It's a very small % of players losing WP to this, and even those players are only losing a small % of the WP they should be getting. It's probably not the best fix, but it's taking bread from the rich at this point. YouTube / Twitch Feed me ISK
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 344	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:24:00 - [3] - Quote It's strange, it seems the limit isn't the only thing they've done though. Last night I got 72 points for a kill, Im guessing it's because I was near the frag and got a headshot but 72 is a strange number.
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 131	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:25:00 - [4] - Quote Secession should be punished. And severely, just like at the end of the civil war. Doubles ISK
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4363	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:25:00 - [5] - Quote Remove warpoints altogether. Never forget
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2300	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:26:00 - [6] - Quote Maple!! When are you coming back to dust? I haven't seen you in forever GûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæGôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢GûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûê ¸¸.GÇó¨GÇóGÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà¸¸.GÇó¨GÇó Gùó GùúForum Warrior LV. 2GùÑ Gùñ
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3395	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:27:00 - [7] - Quote Caldari attempted to secede from the Gallente Federation, they were indeed punished for it. Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2166	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:28:00 - [8] - Quote I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact.
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1585	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:28:00 - [9] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: Maple!! When are you coming back to dust? I haven't seen you in forever When your signature is answered lol. I was on once this month... that counts
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1586	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:29:00 - [10] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact. lol fixed

fawkuima juggalo Eternal Beings 90	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:29:00 - [11] - Quote no way for real........ that effects us DROPLINK users WAY more then it does for that small percentage of farmers.... this needs to be trashed now..... please post a link of the OP so people can can easily comment against it. FIGHT FOR A CAUSE, EVEN IF IT'S NEXT TO YOU.
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1586	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:30:00 - [12] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Remove warpoints altogether. i support this
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2167	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:31:00 - [13] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: It's strange, it seems the limit isn't the only thing they've done though. Last night I got 72 points for a kill, Im guessing it's because I was near the frag and got a headshot but 72 is a strange number. Here is "da math": Intell Assist: +15 Intel Assist near squad order: +18 Kill Assist: +25 Kill Assist near squad order: +30 Kill: +50 Hack installation: +50 Kill near squad order: +60 Hack installation near squad order: +60 Headshot Kill: +60 Headshot Kill near squad order: +72 Counterhack objective: +80 Counterhack near squad order: +96 etc Basically, if you do something near an order, you get a 20% bump in war points.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 743	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:32:00 - [14] - Quote Simple, set a time limit between getting war points for revival kills only. Stop with the blanket 'fixes' that do more harm that good. Who cares about boosting anyway? You have to be a real no-lifer to put that much effort forth to try to cheat the game. Proud Sponsor of the United Light-pole Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3397	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:32:00 - [15] - Quote Forlorn Destrier wrote: I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact. Texas, however, can legally secede from the USA. It would require a super complicated process and thus will likely never happen, but it is legal. Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2167	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:32:00 - [16] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact. lol fixed Had to raz you a little my friend! It's what I do. I joke because I care.
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles 2300	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:32:00 - [17] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact. lol fixed So.. Not for a while... If ever GûêGûêGûôGûÆGûæGûæGôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢GûæGûæGûÆGûôGûêGûêGûê ¸¸.GÇó¨GÇóGÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà¸¸.GÇó¨GÇó Gùó GùúForum Warrior LV. 2GùÑ Gùñ
Cosgar ParagonX 6781	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:34:00 - [18] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Remove warpoints altogether. Remove the ability to place defend orders on players. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Top Men. 188	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:38:00 - [19] - Quote Wrong forum.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 7333	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:38:00 - [20] - Quote fawkuima juggalo wrote: no way for real........ that effects us DROPLINK users WAY more then it does for that small percentage of farmers.... this needs to be trashed now..... please post a link of the OP so people can can easily comment against it. Yea, you drop those uplinks, you bad boy you. So skilled. Shoot down range, grab a rep, revive a friend, toss a hive. It's not the end of the world. YouTube / Twitch Feed me ISK

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3398	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:39:00 - [21] - Quote Cosgar wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Remove warpoints altogether. Remove the ability to place defend orders on players. Or make it so a player doesn't get bonus points for defending himself. Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 100	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:40:00 - [22] - Quote I see two changes that need to be made, a pint of WP generated by damage done to assist with AV stalemate scenario, and change the needle to only award points if the target actually lives for more than a second or two. Nothing I hate worse than getting needled three times without any rep or semblance of cover
M McManus Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 188	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:41:00 - [23] - Quote Because of a minority complaining slayers are punished welcome to the KB/M world...
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 3884	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:42:00 - [24] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact. Texas, however, can legally secede from the USA. It would require a super complicated process and thus will likely never happen, but it is legal. but like scotland seceding from the UK, what does it gain them? they get "independence" sure but things are so intertwined these days that any independence does more harm than good. Lv 3 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 743	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:45:00 - [25] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: fawkuima juggalo wrote: no way for real........ that effects us DROPLINK users WAY more then it does for that small percentage of farmers.... this needs to be trashed now..... please post a link of the OP so people can can easily comment against it. Yea, you drop those uplinks, you bad boy you. So skilled. Shoot down range, grab a rep, revive a friend, toss a hive. It's not the end of the world. LOL @ Uplinks. I have two scout fits with different uplinks on them. I tested this out once on one of the big new maps we have. I ended up getting over 1k WP with uplinks alone. No kills, no assists, no hacks.. just running around placing uplinks by a red letter. Proud Sponsor of the United Light-pole Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 743	Posted - 2013.10.29 20:47:00 - [26] - Quote gbghg wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact. Texas, however, can legally secede from the USA. It would require a super complicated process and thus will likely never happen, but it is legal. but like scotland seceding from the UK, what does it gain them? they get "independence" sure but things are so intertwined these days that any independence does more harm than good. Think of Texas as the much more obese version of Quebec. Completely different culture and they feel they would do better on their own. Proud Sponsor of the United Light-pole Defense Fund. "Protecting Our Skies For A Better Tomorrow" ¯¯¯¦¬¯`GÇó.__Gÿ+
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2168	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:05:00 - [27] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: gbghg wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Forlorn Destrier wrote: I agree with the other posters: you should be punished for trying to secede. It's against the law, in fact. Texas, however, can legally secede from the USA. It would require a super complicated process and thus will likely never happen, but it is legal. but like scotland seceding from the UK, what does it gain them? they get "independence" sure but things are so intertwined these days that any independence does more harm than good. Think of Texas as the much more obese version of Quebec. Completely different culture and they feel they would do better on their own. Actually, as a resident of Texas, I can confirm that we cannot legally secede. Originally we could, and we exercised that during the Civil War. After the Civil War was over, however, we asked to be readmitted to the union. This was accepted, however we lost the right to secede at that point. Further, the Civil War determined it is illegal for a state to secede moving forward regardless of circumstances.
Cosgar ParagonX 6786	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:07:00 - [28] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Cosgar wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Remove warpoints altogether. Remove the ability to place defend orders on players. Or make it so a player doesn't get bonus points for defending himself. Defend order is proximity based. Being able to place it on a player when attacking an objective eliminates it's designed purpose. I'd rather see a stronger emphasis on placing it somewhere to force squad members to stay in that area to get their WP bonus. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1578	Posted - 2013.10.29 21:19:00 - [29] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: CCP Eterne wrote: Hello everyone, I see there is some confusion about this because it wasn't messaged properly. I'm rather confused how it was left out of the official messaging for the hotfix deployed on October 24. Regardless, this is the patch note for the hotfix: "Apply a limiter, capping the warpoint gained per minute of the players who are farming warpoints or cheating." This is to prevent people from setting up a scheme where a friend runs in and dies, then gets revived by a teammate, only to die again, and this happens over and over. We of course want your feedback about it on if the limiter is too strict. Okay cool, Lisa Micheal will have a hard time boosting now. But now the people who are effective at the game dont get warpoints...? Killers get their only feed of WP reduced, logis simply dont generate orbitals now, tanks are not rewarded for flanking infantry. Yeah, it stops that pair in the red zone from getting 300k isk at the end of the game, but it also prevents true team players and combatants from affording their gear that they are losing? As in, people who are actually playing to win, are making reduced profits? Sure, the 30% of the player base (hugely exagerated number, but lets pad it) can not boost anymore, but 70% of the player base is now suffering? Is this a real fix?? or just remove WPs... CEO of The Corporate Raiders, We're still recruiting... Level 1 Forum Warrior


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