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Shattered Mirage
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes  ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears
Ha!
As if you're one to talk about being biased. |
Shattered Mirage
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:29:00 -
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Atiim wrote:knight of 6 wrote:
don't revert to argumentum ad hominem, it makes you argument look weak.
humans kitten up, it's in our nature. the reload time on swarms is shorter than the cool down on reps. you're a tanker and an AV specialist so I'm wasting my time telling you this. if the tank is already at 2-4k hp something hit it and it's entirely possible that the tank fought through it's rep cycle and came out worse for wear, you're a tanker it's nothing uncommon is it? so there is now a 30 second cool down where that tank is completely vulnerable; is it not possible that the exact HP value was unimportant at the time and thus unremembered but somewhere between 2-4k? if the HP was unimportant (it was) than could it be within the Damage of a single MLT swarm clip? if the tanker in question's reps were off line and he was at 1/3 hp could it not be possible that he prioritized escape over removing the threat and simply didn't shoot back? perhaps he knew that whatever took out 2/3 of his HP previous was repositioning to finish the job and a single MLT swarm was not the primary concern. all of this is circumstantial of course but I think it is safe to say that there are to many variables in play to tell positively if it's lie or truth.
I'd write something witty to insult you and tarnish you name, perhaps making an allude to <30 IQ, but you've done a well enough job of destroying your reputation. I suppose I should thank you for saving me the trouble.
You can stop with the sarcasm, as I am a tanker and it has been proven with facts. Even the OP can confirm that My argument looks weak? Compared to what the POS arguments given by other tankers? So far i've heard that AV shouldn't matter and we should make tanks the best counter to tanks, despite AV being ANTI-VEHICLE, AV should be nerfed simply because it owns their sorry @$$ whenever they drive out in the open. I've also heard that it should always take three people with AV to destroy a tank, regardless pf how many tanks and or enemy infantry are present Ad hominem? Wow i'm surprised that the idiots of this forum even know what this mean. Anyways it is true. Not one thing I've said thus far is a lie. I like to support my arguments with facts and evidence, as opposed to doing what most tankers have done and make crap up and hoping that enough people will jump in and say "Oh yeah lol this is true I saw it myself". I use the most aggressive tactics possible to win my arguments, but I base them all on truth fact and reasoning. If you don't use aggressive tactics, you will never win an argument, no matter how idiotic the opponent's arguments and/or rebuttals are. And if you want a refresher on how to win an argument, then you should refer to Paul Graham's Hierarchy of Disagreement
Yes, yes your arguments are weak based on the fact that all you tend to insult others and sprout bullshit out of your mouth instead of giving facts, numbers, videos, and other types of evidence like many others have.
When you stop being pathetic and actually listen, consider, and compare these pieces of evidence and base a conclusion off of that, then people might start to actually take you seriously again.
Don't base your argument on hearsay and prejudice, it typically ends up embarrassing you. |
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:[quote=KenKaniff69]\
No, it shows that he's got a wad of BS up his @$$
He's clearly lying, and If I said "oh yeah proto av is so overpowered, that I even saw it take out a CRU in 3 hits, all you biased tanking dumbf*ucks would have said, "yeah Atiim that's right, in fact I also saw it happen myself" or some dumb **** like that.
And I currently forgot her name, but someone came and basically saved me the time and proved all your "calculations" incorrect. You've yet to challenge said logic, so I fully believe that even you tankers don't believe the BS that your shoveling in CCP's yard.
You guys are pathetic. Just stop.
Of course you forgot her name, right?
Quote: "yeah Atiim that's right, in fact I also saw it happen myself" or some dumb **** like that.
This is you. That is how you act. That is how you will continue to act.
You must love being thrown in the same category as those idiots to not try and be different, logical.
Quote:You've yet to challenge said logic,
Quote it and then we'll discuss it.... and find out if was made by one of your alts If it even exist.
To quote yourself:
Quote:You guys are pathetic. Just stop.
Stop embarrassing yourself further than you already have. |
Shattered Mirage
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:37:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Shattered Mirage wrote:
Yes, yes your arguments are weak based on the fact that all you tend to insult others and sprout bullshit out of your mouth instead of giving facts, numbers, videos, and other types of evidence like many others have.
When you stop being pathetic and actually listen, consider, and compare these pieces of evidence and base a conclusion off of that, then people might start to actually take you seriously again.
Don't base your argument on hearsay and prejudice, it typically ends up embarrassing you.
Like I keep telling him, if he really was a tanker, he wouldn't be on a crusade against tanks.
Eh, I think he is just lonely and wants the attention 
Notice all the trolling he does lately?
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Shattered Mirage
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:43:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:ok, more of these showing up and still more bad math. Videos of current gameplay, are not good arguements of how things will work in 1.7 because things are changing. While I have not done the leg work on shield regen and how long it would take to come back from attack I did build this www.dust514stats.com/compare.cfm which will tell you how long it would take to kill a vehicle with x weapon or if it is even possible. it's still a work in progress, mostly because the coding for it is rather hard, and also because the numbers are in flux.
You see Atiim? This is how it should be done.
He/She provides evidence for their standpoint (Thanks for the stats btw). He/She at the very least provides numbers to mess around with to come to a solid conclusion if possible.
This can be useful for constructive discussions on the subject at a later date, potentially even helping out the Devs. |
Shattered Mirage
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:Wait correct me if im wrong but the best way to use the swarm launcher now is to do taliban style ambushes ? It's always been that way. AV is only OP in the eyes of QQers like Void and Tankashiro because they are biased, and have never gone up against people with AV that don't hide in the redline. And now AV is on the chop block because CCP has to many buckets of thier tears It was arrogance like yours, and all those who think swarming requires skill, all of those who could freely spam their AV grenades and think they were bad asses for doing jack all, it was all of you who made this AV nerf possible. Thank you for having vastly over inflated opinions of yourselves. ALL HAIL THE REIGN OF THE VEHICLES! Ok fine go 30m away from a tank, and try soloing it while infantry is firing at you at the same time, and before you say "Oh you shouldn't be taking fire from infantry" BS note that I don't AV from the redline (swarms don't have the intelligence). And yeah considering that that almost always happens, swarms do require skill, at least you can kill people with a FG, or PLC but I can't lock on to a scout with a SL and watch him run like crazy to cover. And only tankers and LAV who are stupid enough to drive into crowds of infantry have to deal with AV grenades. You say this as if tanking requires skill like a chess game, when I've managed to do perfectly fine with my cheap so-so 400k tank. All you have to do is shoot and then go into cover when you overheat and/or your modules die. Thank you for having vastly over-inflated opinions of yourselves, next time you wanna moan about something, do what I did and skill into it. You are literally no better than logi hatters who assume that it is easy mode while never specing into them
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Thank you for having vastly over-inflated opinions of yourself next time you wanna moan about something, actually use it against experienced players instead of players fresh out of the academy; actually prove that you use it and are not just bullshitting.You are literally no better than logi hatters who assume that it is easy mode while never specing into them
Read it carefully, read it again.... now, read it one more last time. Have you got it now? I'm not completely sure since you don't seem like the type of person smart enough to understand what they just wrote and how it applies to themselves.
Also, you're lumping yourself, again, right into the group of people you apparently hate so much... well, apparently you must quite like being like 'em if you continue to act this way. |
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Posted - 2013.10.30 22:41:00 -
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Funny how he ignores everything I said.... It all must be true then, no? |
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