AV grenades are nothing but a lie on CCP's part. The stories are true of the proto lai dai packed AV dealing somewhere between 3000-4000 damage per grenade. My typical tank with close to 12k ehp went pop after roughly 4 the other day. Based on CCP's lies they say they will be reduced to 1470-1015. Their figures are off by a factor of 1.5 at the very least. The old proto AV grenade dealt 2592 damage. According to what I just found they will yield 1788 damage. This equates to 2414 damage to armor and 1430 to shield.

Something is broken then because I have regularly watch squadmates take out soma's with one AV grenade. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there was a glitch in the coding or something. My calculations match in game results. Your example is an isolated situation that is very close to what a packed AV grenade does on paper.

That's the thing I am I talking about. AV grenades are well known for going off the charts with their damage. It is like they ignore their limitations and automatically see the whole tank as the weak spot. IDK, neither does CCP as they have never explained this to anyone. Throw a lai dai between the rear armor plates of any tank.

1320*1.35*2=3564. Two volleys and the tank goes down.

Arkena, you know better than to post up numbers in the forums. Logic and deductive reasoning is like witchcraft in these parts.

*ahem* this is part of your contract (repeat after me):

"everything i've ever said on the subject of game balance, specifically balancing vehicles and AV is wrong, its so wrong that i feel sick that i even thought of them, and the fact that i spoke them makes me want to leap in front of a moving lav. i hereby retract all of my comments and enter an agreement with the dust community that it will not troll you overly and whack you with the logic bat too often on the basis that i will now refrain from posting in any vehicle or AV thread, this agreement is binding and can and will be edited in the future if the community deems it necessary."

thanks ghbgh <---- quite sure I made a mistake there

Reinforcements have arrived.

The fact that the tank had 4k armor and still died shows how AV is clearly overplaying it's role. The efficiency rating I am using confirm this. Under normal efficiency ratings you would not be able to do this.

In 1.8 GJ CCP
First off, terrain damage removes any and all shields from armor tanks. Simply driving at full speed over any ground that isn't paved will put you into your armor with ease. If you ran tanks you would realize this. This leaves pure armor with no buffer-and no ret@rd atiim i can't add shield because 1. I am an armor tank 2. the PG nerf leaves me no room to add any shields 3. shield regen is roughly 10 on an armor tank meaning it would take forever to regen to full. Tanks will be slower and in addition have no cover due to the style of the new sockets that CCP is moving towards. Why did you compare the miltia version? Why not the proto version which drops 2385 damage to armor. Proto swarms are seen in every single game and often in numbers. When modules go into cooldown you will have taken enough terrain damage to lose all you shields and what AV you can kill off might leave you with around 5/6 armor. This then means that the madrugar has around 3400 armor left. Two volleys and it's done. Simple as that. Even with reps, they are so slow that two volleys down it. I wish AV engaged me with full health in game, but thanks to the terrain i never have shields and I am always into my armor.

As to why I didn't respond sooner, I was to busy playing this game with my corpmates. Do you even play akena? I have never seen you and a lot of what I said would make sense to you if you did. People who come on here and argue and don't even play (IWS, Nova Knife, etc) really should be on here.

No I think it's perfectly acceptable for Proto to destroy militia and STD as long as we have access to Proto, It's just Arkena said it would be impossible to pop a militia tank with 2 proto swarms proficiency V so I was proving him wrong that's all.

fair enough ... didn't completely register that bit.

I'm off anyway, g.night o7