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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:49:00 -
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The problem with rooftop FG is not that they have good range, damage, or splash, it's that we can't GET THEM DOWN with anything but an ob ( and before some dumb **** says it: killing the FGer and getting them down are two completely different things)
I'm hoping the artillery cannon is a counter for this, unless it works like a railgun which I really hope is not the case, and allows us a solid counter for this tactic.
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust incorporation
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:51:00 -
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True but you have to be tactical about these situations, maybe get a fast dropship and crush em, besides it slows them down when charging.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:53:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:True but you have to be tactical about these situations, maybe get a fast dropship and crush em, besides it slows them down when charging
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Arunis Gen
G I A N T
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:57:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:The problem with rooftop FG is not that they have good range, damage, or splash, it's that we can't GET THEM DOWN with anything but an ob ( and before some dumb **** says it: killing the FGer and getting them down are two completely different things)
I'm hoping the artillery cannon is a counter for this, unless it works like a railgun which I really hope is not the case, and allows us a solid counter for this tactic.
As someone who has been Forge Gunning for over a year I can honestly say that the splash radius (and perhaps along with the splash damage) should be cut back. The reason tower forge gunning is as easy as it is, is not only due to the limited ways to successfully engage such a person without expending resources but because the terrain mesh does not get in the way of the shot, making it much more able to apply splash damage.
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CharCharOdell
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Posted - 2013.10.29 16:58:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:The problem with rooftop FG is not that they have good range, damage, or splash, it's that we can't GET THEM DOWN with anything but an ob ( and before some dumb **** says it: killing the FGer and getting them down are two completely different things)
I'm hoping the artillery cannon is a counter for this, unless it works like a railgun which I really hope is not the case, and allows us a solid counter for this tactic.
If we had a slow firing (I'm talking [5.00 ROF] turret that hit with 1500 splash and 2000 direct in an 10m radius that could be adjusted to hit any horizontal surface without a roof, then forgers would not be a problem.
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MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:01:00 -
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With all the forge QQ they had to do something, I'm just glad it wasn't a damage nerf. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.29 17:04:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:The problem with rooftop FG is not that they have good range, damage, or splash, it's that we can't GET THEM DOWN with anything but an ob ( and before some dumb **** says it: killing the FGer and getting them down are two completely different things)
I'm hoping the artillery cannon is a counter for this, unless it works like a railgun which I really hope is not the case, and allows us a solid counter for this tactic. If we had a slow firing (I'm talking [5.00 ROF] turret that hit with 1500 splash and 2000 direct in an 10m radius that could be adjusted to hit any horizontal surface without a roof, then forgers would not be a problem.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 01:57:00 -
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:14:00 -
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Nope, it didnt, but i guess the only effective weapon for heavies against the holy rifle men of New Eden had to be nerfed.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:21:00 -
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It's not a nerf to people that are used to forge sniping. Now it actually requires skills that some FotM jumper never gained over time.
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Chad Michael Murray
NECROM0NGERS
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:28:00 -
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Oh, I dunno. On one hand I feel the FG splash is a little much but on the other hand heavies are absolutely useless in PC unless they're rooftop forge gunning. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:38:00 -
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It's really easy to clear in pubs but usually roof forgers will have a logi on lookout so they know right away when dropships are inbound
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medomai grey
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.10.30 03:55:00 -
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Chad Michael Murray wrote:Oh, I dunno. On one hand I feel the FG splash is a little much but on the other hand heavies are absolutely useless in PC unless they're rooftop forge gunning. You've never met a fully decked out heavy wielding an HMG in their element before have you.
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General John Ripper
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:32:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:The problem with rooftop FG is not that they have good range, damage, or splash, it's that we can't GET THEM DOWN with anything but an ob ( and before some dumb **** says it: killing the FGer and getting them down are two completely different things)
I'm hoping the artillery cannon is a counter for this, unless it works like a railgun which I really hope is not the case, and allows us a solid counter for this tactic.
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Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:37:00 -
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The Forge gun shakes while it is charging right? (I've only ever used the militia one)
But that shake is purely cosmetic from what I've been able to tell.
Making the shake actually affect the aiming would fix a lot of the problems with forge sniping right? You'd still be able to hit vehicles but hitting far away infantry would require skill and luck.
Just my suggestion but as I said I haven't spent a lot of time with forge guns. |
Sleepy Zan
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:38:00 -
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Get better
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Xender17
MoIden Heath PoIice Department
EoN.
870
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Posted - 2013.10.30 04:50:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
994
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:02:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:artillery cannon
Do tell me about this one, thanks! Sounds fun
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:12:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:artillery cannon Do tell me about this one, thanks! Sounds fun
Well....what do you want to know, I don't know everything but I'll try to answer.
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Forum Warrior level 1
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Prius Vecht
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:22:00 -
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Splash still the worst part of Dust and proof its a below average shooter. Aim is king in shooters and you're rewarding people for missing when you have the ridiculous amounts of excess splash u see with this game (see the flaylock for evidence)
Will continue to say handheld weapons should have 1m of splash and it should do 30% of direct damage. Grenades and missile turrets should have aoe damage..not forge guns. |
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Silas Swakhammer
GamersForChrist
Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:42:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:artillery cannon Do tell me about this one, thanks! Sounds fun Well....what do you want to know, I don't know everything but I'll try to answer.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 07:44:00 -
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Silas Swakhammer wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:artillery cannon Do tell me about this one, thanks! Sounds fun Well....what do you want to know, I don't know everything but I'll try to answer. Saaaaaaarcassssmmm.
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Forum Warrior level 1
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
586
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:20:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:With all the forge QQ they had to do something, I'm just glad it wasn't a damage nerf.
Damage and range changes are coming. Watch the vehicle thread. The DEVs stated that there will be changes and when decided they will be posted in the vehicle change posts. 1.6 is not the change. A splash change was announced quite a while ago.
Swarms got a range change to balance them against the weaker vehicles that need areas of safety for the hit and run nature of the new modules and hulls. With forges as they are, which is game breakingly overpowered, the new vehicles would be unusable. Expect big change to the unbalanced FG we have now.
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:32:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:With all the forge QQ they had to do something, I'm just glad it wasn't a damage nerf.
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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.10.30 08:37:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:MassiveNine wrote:With all the forge QQ they had to do something, I'm just glad it wasn't a damage nerf. Damage and range changes are coming. Watch the vehicle thread. The DEVs stated that there will be changes and when decided they will be posted in the vehicle change posts. 1.6 is not the change. A splash change was announced quite a while ago. Swarms got a range change to balance them against the weaker vehicles that need areas of safety for the hit and run nature of the new modules and hulls. With forges as they are, which is game breakingly overpowered, the new vehicles would be unusable. Expect big change to the unbalanced FG we have now.
You really are despicable.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1173
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Posted - 2013.10.30 09:29:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:The Forge gun shakes while it is charging right? (I've only ever used the militia one)
But that shake is purely cosmetic from what I've been able to tell.
Making the shake actually affect the aiming would fix a lot of the problems with forge sniping right? You'd still be able to hit vehicles but hitting far away infantry would require skill and luck.
Just my suggestion but as I said I haven't spent a lot of time with forge guns.
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
The Ascendancy
553
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:06:00 -
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your right it doesnt need to be nerfed it need to be REMOVED ENTIRELY the only thing it does is give forgegun extreme infantry abilities stop qqing |
Lucifalic
The Generals
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:11:00 -
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Just allow scouts to climb buildings... Ill climb up and use a shotgun as a close range forge gun |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2089
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:18:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:your right it doesnt need to be nerfed it need to be REMOVED ENTIRELY the only thing it does is give forgegun extreme infantry abilities stop qqing
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Jake Diesel
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.10.30 10:19:00 -
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Garth Mandra wrote:The Forge gun shakes while it is charging right? (I've only ever used the militia one)
But that shake is purely cosmetic from what I've been able to tell.
Making the shake actually affect the aiming would fix a lot of the problems with forge sniping right? You'd still be able to hit vehicles but hitting far away infantry would require skill and luck.
Just my suggestion but as I said I haven't spent a lot of time with forge guns.
As an fyi, since it's obvious you don't have any real experience forging. Prior to Uprising, forge guns were very inaccurate. If you shot someone standing still at about 40ft in front you while standing, you probably had a 10% chance of hitting him. The only way to get a hit at anything was to crouch. This limited the forger's field of firing due to the many low walls that blocked his view while crouched. Forgers had no fighting chance whatsoever in a mid range fight and CCP saw this. So they made the forge gun accurate in shooting while standing.
So yes, your "nerf" already existed and was removed. |
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