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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

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Military matters have little to do with this game. That noob with a MLT AR is fully capable of killing me even if I was in my proto suit, especially if I have 2 or 3 against me. In this game gun fights last longer the more SP your opponent has (generally speaking). That noob is but a few bullets from my proficiency level 4 AR and so I would eliminate him first. ThatGÇÖs one gun less facing me. If I was to start the fight with the highest level guy I would have to endure his bullets plus the noobs. When facing multiple enemies I rather thin the crowd as fast as I can than do a grand face-off with the toughest guy.

I donGÇÖt think your idea is bad but the way you suggest the implementation (chevrons) is bad. I donGÇÖt think carrying GÇ£IGÇÖm a noobGÇ¥ sign on your head will help new players. It will mark them as clearly weaker (and less experienced) opponents. Better place for this information would be in the left corner of your screen where you see more details about your opponent anyway. The information would be available to those who check the stats but the level of your opponent wouldnGÇÖt be blatantly obvious to anyone looking at a mass of enemies. This would only lead to people picking off easy kills first and then moving to the tougher targets.

" Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .

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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 35	Posted - 2013.10.29 14:51:00 - [1] - Quote CCP , you have a lot of people who put up post about the weapons not being balanced and how they feel like their at a disadvantage . This should be understood because it has an effect on the mechanics of the game and produces an unbalanced and unfair effect . You are addressing it soon , so that should change for the better , hopefully this can add another effect to the completion of the game . I have a thought about the post that you get from people who write about getting killed by supposed militia weapons and adversaries . Now I don't know the name of the indicators that appear above a character . I know about cursors and some have called them chevrons , but for whatever it's worth and name , you could use these characters to identify a persons skill level and that way the team mates and adversaries will know who they are dealing with and figure out how to approach that character or figure out a better way to formulate an attack plan with their team mates. This will stop all the confusion about who killed who an how it was done because the characters would have the indicators as a mode of identification . Everyone knows if some one is wearing a prototype suit , that they must have obtained that skill set . Those who use militia suits , basic or series and weapons on the other hand are a different story ( There are a lot of players who are skilled at Level Five in most of their sets who wear militia gear and use militia weapons , be they are BPO's or just militia , basic or series . ) and this can be used to relieve the stress of those who don't understand this practice and the negative feedback that this produces . The confusion can mount when someone who is skilled to Advance in their suits ( I am using myself as an example ) , shields , armor and mods , also Prototype in assault rifles for instance , finds themselves pitted against someone in militia gear and ends up on the dead in the matter of three seconds. Unloading rounds in the supposed militia character because they have the advantage over them , so to say and they can't or don't cause ANY damage , this can pose a problem to those who play this game and could hinder their enjoyment . I thought about a system where those who are militia and basic in most of their skill set and skill points as well as war points have the regular ONE indicator over their character . Those who are advanced would have TWO , as I see some have during matches . Those who are skilled in the highest levels , like prototype in most or if not all of their skills sets , skill points and war points , would have THREE indicators above their character . Kind of like if one was in the military where you would have those who are Privates or the Enlisted , then you would have the next in rank like the Warrant Officers , Captains or Majors , then those who are the most skilled like the Colonels and Generals . This would cut down on a lot of confusion . Any thoughts from anyone else ???? What do you think about this CCP ??? We have squad leaders and I believe that this would bring about and produce a sort of RANK and FILE system , also only the Colonels and Generals should be squad leaders in matches unless it's a match where lower ranked players are playing then , those who are the highest rank would apply .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.11.02 11:29:00 - [2] - Quote I believed that this ideal would bring another military aspect to this game as well as trying to quill the negative feedback because of misunderstandings . But it is pushed to the back by those who just don't want a way for there adversaries to figure them out so they can conduct a countermeasure . They want to implement cloaking and other measures to hide there faces like cowards but real killers look you in the eye before they do so but I forgot this is a game and will turn into run and hide 514 . Thanks for the feedback negative and positive . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 873	Posted - 2013.11.02 11:41:00 - [3] - Quote [OT] Yesterday, i've spent half the match trying to read your name [/OT] Bye "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 70	Posted - 2013.11.02 11:53:00 - [4] - Quote While this would help in some cases, on others it would make matters worse. Having a sign on your head saying GÇ£IGÇÖm a noobGÇ¥ is not a good thing. If IGÇÖm facing 2-3 opponents I would pick them off in order of difficulty if your suggestion was implemented. First drop the noob with one chevron then concentrate on others. I understand where youGÇÖre coming from but I think this would bring more problems than it would solve. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.11.02 13:06:00 - [5] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: While this would help in some cases, on others it would make matters worse. Having a sign on your head saying GÇ£IGÇÖm a noobGÇ¥ is not a good thing. If IGÇÖm facing 2-3 opponents I would pick them off in order of difficulty if your suggestion was implemented. First drop the noob with one chevron then concentrate on others. I understand where youGÇÖre coming from but I think this would bring more problems than it would solve. That's backwards but thanks you for your feed back , I would first eliminate the major threat first and not the lesser , that's what one would do in a military matter . Check out this show called Delete , it only had two episodes but it was good and simple , also a possibility . But it has a lot of strategic undertones . The goal of this is not just to identify the threat but also to bring a since of levelheadedness and now we don't have that because you can't see the skill sets that one has accomplished and I have raged before because I thought this game was being unfair from getting killed by those whom I thought were militia skilled players but were in fact highly skilled players using militia gear . This can become confusing and misleading , not only to those who are just beginning , who believe that they are suppose to die anyway because they are under equipped but when they start to achieve some skills , they will notice that what they thought were suppose to happen now has not and those adversaries who chopped them down and gave them hope were in disguise and lies . They will wonder now , " why cant I perform like that militia adversary that killed me so easily . " that gave them a since of false hope , I had it myself before but now I know better . This seems like cloaking and other ways that adversaries use to hide themselves and that's what most who play this game like , so I see because anything that brings about and around awareness gets shot down with enthusiasm . Nerf the active scanners and incorporate cloaking and while were at it , lets just play a blind stage as well . Lets kill the shields and strengthen the armor as well as killing the assault rifles . You don't see it now but these things are killing this game , it not noticeable now but later on there will be a ton of posts complaining about these things , just like most and now is the time to do it before it becomes a problem . You will still have your cloaking and nerfs but being more aware will make all the more of a difference . It will stop the misleading and help people to understand the steps that they have to go threw more instead of believing that the have to fight against skill point sinks and traps . There is no easy way to be successful and to concur but if you give one information and the more that you give them , that will help them to not get so upset so easily because they understand more . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 70	Posted - 2013.11.02 13:52:00 - [6] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Post #5 Military matters have little to do with this game. That noob with a MLT AR is fully capable of killing me even if I was in my proto suit, especially if I have 2 or 3 against me. In this game gun fights last longer the more SP your opponent has (generally speaking). That noob is but a few bullets from my proficiency level 4 AR and so I would eliminate him first. ThatGÇÖs one gun less facing me. If I was to start the fight with the highest level guy I would have to endure his bullets plus the noobs. When facing multiple enemies I rather thin the crowd as fast as I can than do a grand face-off with the toughest guy. I donGÇÖt think your idea is bad but the way you suggest the implementation (chevrons) is bad. I donGÇÖt think carrying GÇ£IGÇÖm a noobGÇ¥ sign on your head will help new players. It will mark them as clearly weaker (and less experienced) opponents. Better place for this information would be in the left corner of your screen where you see more details about your opponent anyway. The information would be available to those who check the stats but the level of your opponent wouldnGÇÖt be blatantly obvious to anyone looking at a mass of enemies. This would only lead to people picking off easy kills first and then moving to the tougher targets. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 456	Posted - 2013.11.02 15:27:00 - [7] - Quote Their is no way that this could be construed as a good idea. Basically that noob sign you are asking every player to carry (noob is a relative term) is just a target marking system as it will be easier to kill people who are lower SP than yourself. It also is nice to be able to keep the number of SP you have to yourself even if you have an ungodly high amount. Would you want to show everyone else your number of SP invested in your character? Stop pushing that damnable repair tool on me, if I don't have a gun in my hands I am an f'n bullet sponge!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.11.02 15:30:00 - [8] - Quote Sleepy Shadow wrote: Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Post #5 Military matters have little to do with this game. That noob with a MLT AR is fully capable of killing me even if I was in my proto suit, especially if I have 2 or 3 against me. In this game gun fights last longer the more SP your opponent has (generally speaking). That noob is but a few bullets from my proficiency level 4 AR and so I would eliminate him first. ThatGÇÖs one gun less facing me. If I was to start the fight with the highest level guy I would have to endure his bullets plus the noobs. When facing multiple enemies I rather thin the crowd as fast as I can than do a grand face-off with the toughest guy. I donGÇÖt think your idea is bad but the way you suggest the implementation (chevrons) is bad. I donGÇÖt think carrying GÇ£IGÇÖm a noobGÇ¥ sign on your head will help new players. It will mark them as clearly weaker (and less experienced) opponents. Better place for this information would be in the left corner of your screen where you see more details about your opponent anyway. The information would be available to those who check the stats but the level of your opponent wouldnGÇÖt be blatantly obvious to anyone looking at a mass of enemies. This would only lead to people picking off easy kills first and then moving to the tougher targets. I am not going to go back and forth with you or anyone else for that matter . It's not worth it and a waste of my time . Have a nice day . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.11.02 15:31:00 - [9] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Their is no way that this could be construed as a good idea. Basically that noob sign you are asking every player to carry (noob is a relative term) is just a target marking system as it will be easier to kill people who are lower SP than yourself. It also is nice to be able to keep the number of SP you have to yourself even if you have an ungodly high amount. Would you want to show everyone else your number of SP invested in your character? I want you to have a nice day , that's what I want . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 45	Posted - 2013.11.02 16:07:00 - [10] - Quote Like I said , I welcome all comments and as far as military not having anything to do with this game , well what instruments are you conducting your battles with ??? Everything in this game scream military and that's part of the reason I won't go back and forth with anyone in this forum , even more so when I can see where that conversation would go and that's nowhere so why waist your time and MINES . I value my life and it's moments . This system is not designed to target the new person but I can see why and how many of you would think so . It's intent was to inform THEM in all actuality about there adversaries , so they can better formulate a plan for counterattack . More intelligence was it's intent so your misunderstandings are noted . Instead of being critical , why not add some positive input , believe me it would be welcomed . Most people on these forums would rather knock someone that's trying to add something particular and that's to help those that are new have an advantage actually. To single them out would be WRONG and I was there and in most cases are still part of those who are new unlike the comments from people who have been at this from sometime , so they gain my honest ideals and helpful thoughts .You must be those whom I am speaking of , who use the tactics that I speak of . That's why you can't invoke any since of reason . Any person who seen this piece and just joined the Dust community , I apologize if you felt that I was trying to single you out because that really wasn't my intention . This is not about informing about skill points because just because you see someone with a prototype suit , that doesn't mean I know HOW MANY SKILL POINTS THAT THEY HAVE , it just tells me that they are skilled up to acquiring that suit . This was also not the intention so save your sarcasm because really that's a sign of ignorance and the fact that it shows some ones wit is also a lie . This is no condemnation against anyone , so I apologize if it seemed that way , to say that you could tell how many skill points that someone has by this method is completely wrong . Read the piece and it clearly says , those who are skilled up to or basically in such a level or bracket will receive one , two or three chevrons . That in no way tells one how many skill points , war points and or what you have placed your skill points into what skills . Thank you for your negativity because that's to be expected in this group . " Doubts are like flies and should be crushed !!!!!! " I hope that I am THE FLY SWATTER of those in my presence .

Sleepy Shadow L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 70	Posted - 2013.11.02 16:49:00 - [11] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Like I said , I welcome all comments No, you do not welcome comments. You proposed an idea, asked for peopleGÇÖs thoughts and then decided not to discuss them. When you design a system you need to weigh in the good and the bad. Good from this is that new players would be able to identify stronger opponents easily, bad that those same opponents can identify easy targets the same way. There are no misunderstandings here. You seem awful hostile towards me and that one other guy that has posted on your thread. Neither of us were negative, we just pointed out the flaw in your idea. You are right about one thing; there is absolutely no need to go back and forth. I see it as a dead end too. .ß¦óß¦î+ÿ+ÿß¦ÿß¦Å ß¦ó+ê+æß¦åß¦Åß¦ë - -Æß¦£ß¦îß¦îß+¦ Qß¦+ß¦Çß¦îß¦ë-ô-ù-+ß¦å ß¦áß¦Éß¦Ü+½ß¦â.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1208	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:14:00 - [12] - Quote In wolfenstein enemy territory it had the rank before someone's name, you'd earn xp and rank up and the noobier players generally followed and listened to you so it was good but I can't see how this would work in dust as we are not soldiers. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic Top Men. 229	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:18:00 - [13] - Quote I understand where you're coming from but just difficult to implement without having a big sign saying NOOB on it. We do have colors of suits to help a little...ie run away from black if you're not black. Now doing this inside squads (not based on skill) as a way to uniquely identify each squad member at a glance I'm totally for it.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 442	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:21:00 - [14] - Quote i already know what im up against before leaving the mcc... but if ppl could easily detect that im wearing a mlt suit and charge after me thinking they will drop me quickly. they r going to run into a bad surprise... although if i know im going to die when surrounded by several enemies. im going to make sure i take as many of them down with me.. and if that means i have to drop the mlt noob then im going for the kill. but that rarely happens as majority of both teams are shooting eachother in cqc allowing for a smart player to enter from behind and pad their own kdr.


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