DUST Search - 1.7 Vehicle Changes question

Bendtner92 wrote:

You didn't list clip sizes and max ammo stats...

The small turret will fire it's 8 shots in a clip in almost 10 seconds, followed by a 4 second reload time.

The large turret will fire it's 12 shots in a clip in less than 2 seconds, followed by a 10 second reload time.

Do note that there's a skill to reduce reload time, which will affect the large turret more since the base reload time is higher.

Max ammo is 40 on the small turret and 140 on the large turret, so the large turret will have much more ammo. Also note here that there's an ammo skill/modules to increase max ammo, which once again will have a larger impact on the large turret since it has a higher base amount of max ammo.

Taking all of this into account, then the small turret might be good against infantry as well as support for taking down another HAV, but if you are to take down a HAV with only one of these turrets, the large is so much better, and you can probably forget all about killing the other HAV with just a small turret.

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Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3509	Posted - 2013.10.29 06:29:00 - [1] - Quote Taken from the info I posted on my blog. (Parenthesis are how much of a change there was from pre-1.7 changes) Small Missile Turret XT-1 Missile Launcher Damage: 520 (+65) Splash Damage: 357.5 (+80) Blast Radius: 2.5 (+0.5) RoF: 50 (+12.5) Optimal Range: 200 Maximum Range: 250 (+50) PG: 212 (+127) CPU: 139 (+116) Large Missile Turret XT-201 Missile Launcher Damage: 539.5 (+32) Splash Damage: 162.5 (+58.5) Blast Radius: 1.5 (-1.5) RoF: 400 (+376) Optimal Range: 250 Maximum Range: 250 PG: 985 (+17) CPU: 231 (+137) So, they have about the same direct damage with the small missile turret having much higher splash and much higher blast radius. I'm not sure why they decided to nerf the Large Missile Turret's blast radius (it was already struggling to kill infantry, save a direct hit) but the rate of fire increase and 'full-auto' tag in the spreadsheet suggests that we're moving away from the burst fire mode. I suppose my questions are mostly: 1.) Why nerf the blast radius on the large missile turrets? 2.) Is it still going to be burst fire with less delay between shots or is it going to be all-out full-auto as the tag suggests? 3.) Why retain the same range between the two? Mostly out of sarcasm: 4.) Can I fit a Small Turret in place of the Large Turret? ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 553	Posted - 2013.10.29 06:34:00 - [2] - Quote 1, because it's going full auto and that would make killing your friends to easy. 2, no hold button unleash death 3, because. 4 no, but you can elect to not fit smalls. Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today? I do maths, and sit in a corner.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1610	Posted - 2013.10.29 06:46:00 - [3] - Quote I think they're trying to highlight the role of the large missile turret as mainly AV. Since it appears splash damage AND direct damage affect the target when you get a direct hit, a boost to splash damage means more direct hit damage. Combined with a direct damage boost and (apparently) a RoF boost, large missiles are much more powerful against vehicles whilst the splash damage which made them effective against infantry too has been reduced. > "I will show you fear in a handful of dust." T.S. Eliot, The Wasteland
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3509	Posted - 2013.10.29 06:54:00 - [4] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I think they're trying to highlight the role of the large missile turret as mainly AV. Since it appears splash damage AND direct damage affect the target when you get a direct hit, a boost to splash damage means more direct hit damage. Combined with a direct damage boost and (apparently) a RoF boost, large missiles are much more powerful against vehicles whilst the splash damage which made them effective against infantry too has been reduced. Meh. Think Missiles would do great against Infantry, giving the shoddy aiming mechanics with vehicle turrets. Also, I don't think Direct Damage + Splash Damage is a thing... That was a misconception that spawned from the Month of the Flaylock which CCP stated doesn't happen. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1181	Posted - 2013.10.29 07:48:00 - [5] - Quote You didn't list clip sizes and max ammo stats... The small turret will fire it's 8 shots in a clip in almost 10 seconds, followed by a 4 second reload time. The large turret will fire it's 12 shots in a clip in less than 2 seconds, followed by a 10 second reload time. Do note that there's a skill to reduce reload time, which will affect the large turret more since the base reload time is higher. Max ammo is 40 on the small turret and 140 on the large turret, so the large turret will have much more ammo. Also note here that there's an ammo skill/modules to increase max ammo, which once again will have a larger impact on the large turret since it has a higher base amount of max ammo. Taking all of this into account, then the small turret might be good against infantry as well as support for taking down another HAV, but if you are to take down a HAV with only one of these turrets, the large is so much better, and you can probably forget all about killing the other HAV with just a small turret.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3509	Posted - 2013.10.29 07:53:00 - [6] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: You didn't list clip sizes and max ammo stats... The small turret will fire it's 8 shots in a clip in almost 10 seconds, followed by a 4 second reload time. The large turret will fire it's 12 shots in a clip in less than 2 seconds, followed by a 10 second reload time. Do note that there's a skill to reduce reload time, which will affect the large turret more since the base reload time is higher. Max ammo is 40 on the small turret and 140 on the large turret, so the large turret will have much more ammo. Also note here that there's an ammo skill/modules to increase max ammo, which once again will have a larger impact on the large turret since it has a higher base amount of max ammo. Taking all of this into account, then the small turret might be good against infantry as well as support for taking down another HAV, but if you are to take down a HAV with only one of these turrets, the large is so much better, and you can probably forget all about killing the other HAV with just a small turret. This is under the assumption that it is fully automatic though, not retaining it's burst qualities. Also that it's not going to have the disco tank recoil from before. Edit: I didn't list the ammo because it's an obvious change, the rest are stat changes of before and after. There was no reason to list the ammo at the time. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1181	Posted - 2013.10.29 07:55:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: This is under the assumption that it is fully automatic though, not retaining it's burst qualities. Also that it's not going to have the disco tank recoil from before. What assumption? It clearly says full-auto in the stats given. But if that's not good enough for you it has been confirmed elsewhere too...
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3509	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:00:00 - [8] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: This is under the assumption that it is fully automatic though, not retaining it's burst qualities. Also that it's not going to have the disco tank recoil from before. What assumption? It clearly says full-auto in the stats given. But if that's not good enough for you it has been confirmed elsewhere too... Man, would you calm down? Seriously, every time you post it's just seething acid dripping from your finger tips lmfao Post up the confirmation please as I haven't seen it... ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1181	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:07:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Post up the confirmation please as I haven't seen it... Here If that's not good enough for you further confirmation was given on IRC, which I'm unable to post. Listing clip size and max ammo stats were pretty important since you were comparing the two turrets and were sort of implying that the small turret will be a better turret than the large turret, and the clip size and max ammo stats would make it clear that the large turret will be much better than the small turret.
Zero Harpuia Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 1108	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:08:00 - [10] - Quote Not to say that it will work perfectly as I'm as in-the-dark as anyone here about the specifics, but if there are 140 missile, 40 per clip, 400 missiles per minute, and therefore 6.66 missiles per second (literally hellfire :3) then there will be far more than enough missiles in a volley to shoot down a fleshy target. Also, 1.5 meters isn't BIG, but it isn't small either. Most people are just about that tall after all. Look at it this way. The Small Turret appears to fire a single rather large missile given its size. The Large Turret, with it's square shape and multi-compartment design, seems to now be shooting a large number of smaller missiles. It's a Quantity over Quality argument between small and large, but a small missile for a large turret isn't too much smaller than a large missile for a small turret. Just visualize the Large Turret firing at the speed it is written to fire at, then you'll understand. A larger number of smaller missiles with more shaped charges to overwhelm a large platform's shielding and armor systems. Even in one second bursts, it's still 6 missiles per burst, and if it IS full-auto...

Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3509	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:10:00 - [11] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Post up the confirmation please as I haven't seen it... Here If that's not good enough for you further confirmation was given on IRC, which I'm unable to post. Listing clip size and max ammo stats were pretty important since you were comparing the two turrets and were sort of implying that the small turret will be a better turret than the large turret, and the clip size and max ammo stats would make it clear that the large turret will be much better than the small turret. You of all people should know as well as I do how things work when they're transferred from paper to Dust 514 - so I'd appreciate it if you'd step off the pedestal. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1181	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:12:00 - [12] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: You of all people should know as well as I do how things work when they're transferred from paper to Dust 514 - so I'd appreciate it if you'd step off the pedestal. I already said further confirmation have been given on IRC, something that Heinz Doofenshertz is basing his post upon as well.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3510	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:29:00 - [13] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: You of all people should know as well as I do how things work when they're transferred from paper to Dust 514 - so I'd appreciate it if you'd step off the pedestal. I already said further confirmation have been given on IRC, something that Heinz Doofenshertz is basing his post upon as well. That's all well and good - but not everyone browses the IRC and that information wasn't known until now. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1181	Posted - 2013.10.29 08:37:00 - [14] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: That's all well and good - but not everyone browses the IRC and that information wasn't known until now. Which is why I'm telling you about it when you ask if the large turret really is full-auto. It's not my fault that you don't trust me when I say it. I know that you just can't trust everything someone says, but you should know I'm not one to give out false information. Plus I was merely confirming what was already stated in the vehicle stats, it's not like I was trying to tell you the stats were wrong.


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