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fawkuima juggalo
Eternal Beings
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:09:00 -
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(PLEASE GIVE NOTE) -I love the idea of specialist weapons and loyalty points.
BUT not with the two things mentioned here.
1. Do not completely replace ISK rewards if you are required both LP and ISK to obtain specialist weapons.
a. If players must spend two types of currency that can only be obtained through separate types of game play. If i'm spending ISK on gear to play FW without compensation then i will have to go back to pub matches to make the difference.
b. We all know that proto gears costs an arm and a leg, and if FW actually has a meaningful objective, imagine the ISK value per match. Even with infinite LP you can't buy anything in the specialist store if you don't have the ISK.
SUMMARY: Point is that not having any compensation for the weapons lost, you can only get so far without having to stop and go back to pub. I would like to be able to push for long periods of time in FW without having to constantly spend billions of ISK, go back to pub get more and come back.
SIDE NOTE: On the other hand this could manage the pushes of FW activity so you could initiate changes more smoothly,
limit the amount of proto used (but really only for poorer players[like me P]), and make it more stable for the tracking standings etc.
SOLUTION: Make it a lower percentage of ISK then you would normally receive, simply adjusting the balance between ISK and LP could solve those problems.
2. DO NOT make LP exclusive to just your faction store.
Just like real world economy, these stores should have values placed for EVERY form of LP. The true value being that of which corporation your fighting for, but lets say you go over to this other corp store, you should still be able to buy their equipment but with the value of your LP adjusted to how close those factions are.
SYSTEM: lets say you belong to FACTION ONE or FAC1 with LP Valued at 1
at a FAC2 store = .5
enemy FAC3 store = worthless
ally FAC4 = .75
FOR EXAMPLE: G1 has exactly 100 LP,
G1 likes to fight for FAC1
G1 buys an item from FAC1 store for 50 LP
G1 now has 50LP
well GI saw a FAC2 variant of the same item valued at the same price.
but now because he is shopping at a (FAC2) store G's LP is only valued at 25LP (or FAC2 item variant is100LP)
QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR EDITS WELCOME
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Templar 514
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:16:00 -
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I'm going to say it straight man, but no, you should not be able to transfer LP between empire factions.
Currently, in EVE (I know this is heresy, but bear with me a moment), the ONLY way to transfer LP is to actually do Incursions, which give CONCORD (IE, those NPC cops who blap all the gankers). CONCORD LPs can then be converted to LP for other corporations/factions.
I'm also going to just say that EVE players are actually screwed over on this count more than DUSTies, because eggers have LP separated by corporation. So, you know, you work for Zoar & Sons, you get Z&S LP. You work for Imperial Armaments, you get IA LP. Both corporations are party to the Amarr Empire. And no, we're not nice so you can't share LP between NPC corps that are party to the same empire faction. |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
181
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:18:00 -
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I thought it was a bad decision at first, but now I realise that it's a good idea.
Firstly, it's a big ISK sink. There are a lot of people with millions of ISK with nothing to spend it on and even more coming in. FW will give them something to spend those millions on.
Secondly, players can make ISK back by selling the LP items on the player market to people that don't fight for that faction or don't have enough LP to afford that factions gear.
And as for the part about LP being used in every store... No.
LP isn't actually a physical currency like ISK. It's more of an allowance made by the faction you're fighting for to buy stuff from them. So why would Caldari sell you stuff if you've gained LP from fighting for Gallente?
I hate to rain on your parade, but all these points have been discussed and accounted for.
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Heinz Doofenshertz
BetaMax.
551
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:19:00 -
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Comments.
1. With the addition of the player market, making isk from selling salvage or sepcialist gear will earn you plenty of isk. thus the need for earning isk itself in the matches is kind of un-needed. Yes I understand it will not be there right away. however once it is you will be rolling in the isk.
2. Loyalty points are to a faction, why would the amarr or caldari give you stuff for working for the Minmatar. and if you look at recent lore events in New Eden you would realise that all four factions are entering into a state of insulation from each other, the alliances are falling apart and we might end up in full war, with all four factions fighting each other. if this happens I really doubt that they would reward you for fighting against them.
This is discussed on the new boots on the ground which should be going up soonish.
Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today?
I do maths, and sit in a corner.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
769
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:21:00 -
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To be honest the one thing that needs to happen before these new FW changes is open market, then all the new FW updates would fall perfectly into place, imo.
If you play for Gallente you can sell your specialist scanner and buy a imperial specialist scram rifle from someone who bought it off the amarr market place.
This will also drive diversity between faction and encourage merc work. Let says Caldari has 4 times the amount of players than gallente have. So there faction weapons a lot more plentiful on the market and cheaper, and gallente faction weapons are rare since not a many fight for gallente making there price increase. This allows gallente to sell for a higher price drive mercs from caldari to go fight for gallente as there weapons sell for more on the open market.
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fawkuima juggalo
Eternal Beings
89
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:37:00 -
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I see your points, heres the problem -
Yes these issues could be fixed with a player market, but as far as ive seen these FW changes are going to happen sooner then that.
There are players who have that kind of money, but i'm not one of them, and i hate militia grinding, so until the player market is open ISK is already an issue, this would make it even more frustrating for a multitude of players with more ISK problems.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
770
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:41:00 -
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fawkuima juggalo wrote:I see your points, heres the problem -
Yes these issues could be fixed with a player market, but as far as ive seen these FW changes are going to happen sooner then that.
There are players who have that kind of money, but i'm not one of them, and i hate militia grinding, so until the player market is open ISK is already an issue, this would make it even more frustrating for a multitude of players with more ISK problems.
I do feel for the people who can not afford to go into FW unless they have something to sell, so i feel the open market is essential in order to have FW thrive. I won't be personally affected by it but i know a lot my friends would.
Might just have to wait and see we have not received ETA's for ether player market or FW but they talk about it like it is around the corner.
For the Empire!
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Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
676
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:47:00 -
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I think the weapons in the LP store have a long name something like "Gallente Specialist Duvolle Assault Rifle" That is going to take space from the screen. Don't you think? |
Melchiah ARANeAE
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
182
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Posted - 2013.10.29 05:53:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:fawkuima juggalo wrote:I see your points, heres the problem -
Yes these issues could be fixed with a player market, but as far as ive seen these FW changes are going to happen sooner then that.
There are players who have that kind of money, but i'm not one of them, and i hate militia grinding, so until the player market is open ISK is already an issue, this would make it even more frustrating for a multitude of players with more ISK problems.
I do feel for the people who can not afford to go into FW unless they have something to sell, so i feel the open market is essential in order to have FW thrive. I won't be personally affected by it but i know a lot my friends would. Might just have to wait and see we have not received ETA's for ether player market or FW but they talk about it like it is around the corner.
CCP always talk about stuff like it's just around the corner. Think about the stuff they talked about at fanfest and how much of that we've got now. That was 5 months ago and nothing mentioned there is here now and they're only close to adding 2 weapons.
I doub't we'll be seeing the FW and player market for at least 6 months. Probably closer to a year or 18 months.
Though, I'm still somewhat excited for it. XD
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