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shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 828	Posted - 2013.10.27 22:12:00 - [1] - Quote Would you like it if profile dampening skill gives 2% to dampening modules efficiency instead of 2% on dropsuit profile dampening? Now the skill gives you a passive bonus always helpful, at level 5 you are not detected by STD scanner, with medium frame. To not be dected by an ADV scanner you need a complex module. If the skill would give a bonus on modules insteas of dropsuit, at level 5, you will not have the passive ability to remain undetected by STD scanners, but with an advanced module you will not be detected by ADV scanners. So: Better passive ability Or Better efficiency on modules What would you like?
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 339	Posted - 2013.10.27 22:20:00 - [2] - Quote Passive always > module effect
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3300	Posted - 2013.10.27 22:23:00 - [3] - Quote The way it is now with the passive effect, a scout can avoid advanced scanners without equipping anything. That's pretty big.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 288	Posted - 2013.10.27 22:28:00 - [4] - Quote Personally I prefer the way it is now. I would like to think that changing it to the efficiency model would encourage people to use different modules from stacking the same modules over and increase the diversity of suit design, but i doubt that would happen. The number of available slots on many suits already promotes hard choices for builds. That being said I always have one Profile Dampener on my suit.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 828	Posted - 2013.10.27 22:29:00 - [5] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The way it is now with the passive effect, a scout can avoid advanced scanners without equipping anything. That's pretty big. A level 5 would avoid adv scanner even with option 2. I'm not particularly in favor of one or the other, just to point it.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 828	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:02:00 - [6] - Quote Added some math to be clearer.
lrian Locust DUST University Ivy League 252	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:04:00 - [7] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The way it is now with the passive effect, a scout can avoid advanced scanners without equipping anything. That's pretty big. Not that big, if you look at the tradeoffs that scouts have to face: - paper mache suit - much lower PG and CPU - huge SP-sink to get dampening up to lvl 5
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1655	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:30:00 - [8] - Quote This is actually surprisingly irrelevant in terms of scouts because their passive from the scout suit skill makes them beat advanced scanners anyway. Even skilling up to level 4 dampening is pointless because they can never passively beat proto scanners without using a mod too. In terms of mediums beating std scanners, i don't mind that that much because that a million SP that's not being used in something else that will be much more effective at killing me and likelihood is that a logi on my team is running at least am advanced scanner anyway.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 289	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:44:00 - [9] - Quote Django Quik wrote: This is actually surprisingly irrelevant in terms of scouts because their passive from the scout suit skill makes them beat advanced scanners anyway. Even skilling up to level 4 dampening is pointless because they can never passively beat proto scanners without using a mod too. In terms of mediums beating std scanners, i don't mind that that much because that a million SP that's not being used in something else that will be much more effective at killing me and likelihood is that a logi on my team is running at least am advanced scanner anyway. Very good points
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1656	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:53:00 - [10] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Django Quik wrote: This is actually surprisingly irrelevant in terms of scouts because their passive from the scout suit skill makes them beat advanced scanners anyway. Even skilling up to level 4 dampening is pointless because they can never passively beat proto scanners without using a mod too. In terms of mediums beating std scanners, i don't mind that that much because that a million SP that's not being used in something else that will be much more effective at killing me and likelihood is that a logi on my team is running at least am advanced scanner anyway. Very good points That said, with a 10% bonus to dampener module efficiency it would only take 2 mods for proto scouts to beat the meta 9, so that's a good outcome.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 829	Posted - 2013.10.28 10:47:00 - [11] - Quote Django Quik wrote: That said, with a 10% bonus to dampener module efficiency it would only take 2 mods for proto scouts to beat the meta 9, so that's a good outcome. Edit - actually no it wouldn't. Forgot about the stacking penalty! There should not be any stacking penalty on profile dampeners.
Django Quik Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1657	Posted - 2013.10.28 17:55:00 - [12] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Django Quik wrote: That said, with a 10% bonus to dampener module efficiency it would only take 2 mods for proto scouts to beat the meta 9, so that's a good outcome. Edit - actually no it wouldn't. Forgot about the stacking penalty! There should not be any stacking penalty on profile dampeners. It isn't explicitly stated on the description but the same is true of range amplifiers and my testing has shown that those do suffer from stacking penalties, so it's suspected that stacking penalties apply to all percentage based modules.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3315	Posted - 2013.10.28 18:06:00 - [13] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: The way it is now with the passive effect, a scout can avoid advanced scanners without equipping anything. That's pretty big. A level 5 would avoid adv scanner even with option 2. I'm not particularly in favor of one or the other, just to point it. With max skills yes. However, what if you are only at advanced level? Level 3 in a scout suit + level 3 in dampening is enough to evade advanced scanners, which is big. If the bonus were to change to only effect modules, then Level 3 in scout would not be enough. Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3315	Posted - 2013.10.28 18:07:00 - [14] - Quote lrian Locust wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: The way it is now with the passive effect, a scout can avoid advanced scanners without equipping anything. That's pretty big. Not that big, if you look at the tradeoffs that scouts have to face: - paper mache suit - much lower PG and CPU - huge SP-sink to get dampening up to lvl 5 Again, with the current system you only need level 3 scout level 3 dampening, which isn't that much SP and is very beneficial. Amarr faithful, join PIE Inc, the oldest EVE/Dust Amarr loyal corporation! Amarr Victor!
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4780	Posted - 2013.10.28 18:22:00 - [15] - Quote I would stick with the way things are now. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1815	Posted - 2013.10.28 18:27:00 - [16] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I would stick with the way things are now. I'm with Maken Tosch.
Azri Sarum BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 105	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:04:00 - [17] - Quote I prefer the way it is now. It gives people a counter to the std scanner proliferation that is occurring. This incentivises people to get higher tier scanners since the basic can be countered by skills alone. I also tend to not like efficacy bonuses because they don't actually increase your options, they just make your existing options perform better. If instead bonuses were to things like fittings that would open up new builds, increasing options.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 467	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:12:00 - [18] - Quote I would be supportive of this if scout's base scan profile was also lowered to 40 db. This would scouts need less sp to avoid pro scanners. This would also mean std scanners would have some use since mediums and heavies couldn't avoid std scanners unless they actually devote a slot to a dampener. Otherwise, just keep it as is now.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1106	Posted - 2013.10.28 20:25:00 - [19] - Quote Heavies love the passive Electronics Upgrades. Dampening, Amplification, Enhancement - so many people overlook these as good core skills. Now that Scanners are everywhere, they're even more valuable. Steve Guttenberg Lives!

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