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True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3660	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:52:00 - [1] - Quote Okay so I am considering some hypotheticals right now. Primary being, if 1.7 is content packed, e.g Light Frames, Heavies, Vehicles (shut up don't tell me I am na+»ve I need to believe), then what if hypothetically speaking CCP gave us a respec would I spec into again. The answer comes simply to mind. Amarr Pilot Dropsuit Amarr HAV and with cross training Amarr Scout. So working off of these assumptions, assuming I had 10 Million SP, 5 for vehicles, 5 for Drop Suits, and assuming the current skill multipliers and the ones assigned in the vehicle rebalance thread hold true, what would give me the greatest range of possible fits, and of course some general specialisations that would bring me some enjoyment. So withouth further ado I need to calculate the SP values of the following skills. If you happen to know where I can find some spread sheets with the SP costs of Dust skills or a skill calculator please link it to me, DropSuit Command Amarr Scoutv III (assume GalScout) Amarr Pilot III (assume GalScout) Dropsuit Command III DropSuit Upgrades Armour Upgrades Core skill at V, remaining at 3 Shield Upgrades Core skill at V, remaining at 3 Scanning III Drop Uplinks III Hacking III Weaponry Weaponry 3 Explosives 3 Remote Explosives 3 Laser Rifle 3 Scrambler Rifle 3 Scrambler Pistol 5 How much SP would this cost a guy do you all think? Please do let me know if you have any links that can help me out.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2103	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:54:00 - [2] - Quote 1 million (Heh, im 95% charm 15% Math )
SoTa PoP MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 4295	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:55:00 - [3] - Quote I didn't realize addition was too hard for you. Amarr empires just shed a tear.
Centurion mkII SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 158	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:55:00 - [4] - Quote This was made 9 months ago but when i did my second and first respec it was accurate. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54170
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2105	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:01:00 - [5] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I didn't realize addition was too hard for you. Amarr empires just shed a tear. Whats addition? Sounds like unholy witchcraft....
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1266	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:02:00 - [6] - Quote I'm keeping everything I have the same except going amarr DS and HAV instead of gallente DS an HAV.....I have 900k un allocated sp so I'll toss that into pilot suits
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2108	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:10:00 - [7] - Quote If i had a respec, i would just buy Passive stuff , use BPO, and when Amarr scouts come out i'll just epend it ALL on those.. muahahahaha...
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3661	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:20:00 - [8] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: I didn't realize addition was too hard for you. Amarr empires just shed a tear. I could do it myself or I could ask you to do it for me, either way it gets done.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3661	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:21:00 - [9] - Quote Centurion mkII wrote: This was made 9 months ago but when i did my second and first respec it was accurate. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54170 Thanks mate, cheers. I'll throw a couple of million ISK your way since you were possible the only person in this thread who either wasn't a total douche and or actually helped me out.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2110	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:25:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Centurion mkII wrote: This was made 9 months ago but when i did my second and first respec it was accurate. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=54170 Thanks mate, cheers. I'll throw a couple of million ISK your way since you were possible the only person in this thread who either wasn't a total douche and or actually helped me out. n.n hey i coudlnt help you out but i kept bumping your thread. Psst. Ninja Buff....

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 399	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:29:00 - [11] - Quote Leave math to the Gallente, as basic calculations aren't the Amarr's strongsuit
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 766	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:33:00 - [12] - Quote A fully maxed out Madrugar/Amarr variant will run you 16.7 million SP. That doesn't include the pilot suit.
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 766	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:35:00 - [13] - Quote AND that fully maxed tank can still be soloed by proto swarms according to calculations based on future efficiency, damage mods, base weapon damage, and resist.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3662	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:43:00 - [14] - Quote Owch after working it out ....wow I could do one or the other but not both until I hit 20Mill.....Poor me.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 399	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:45:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Owch after working it out ....wow I could do one or the other but not both until I hit 20Mill.....Poor me. Let's just pray for a respec first. As I wan't my hands on those Mimmitar HAVs Unless they shield tank.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3662	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:47:00 - [16] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: A fully maxed out Madrugar/Amarr variant will run you 16.7 million SP. That doesn't include the pilot suit. So yes I am in a really tough spot, Either a 9 Mill to used both suits efficiently, or the partial spec into both the Pilot and the Tank.... its a tough world..... that is even assuming we get a respec...
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3662	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:50:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Owch after working it out ....wow I could do one or the other but not both until I hit 20Mill.....Poor me. Let's just pray for a respec first. As I wan't my hands on those Mimmitar HAVs Unless they shield tank. They dual and speed tank. Well if the Minnies are like they are EVE side.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1293	Posted - 2013.10.27 04:22:00 - [18] - Quote Between 15 and 16 mil SP to max armor/shield skills, basic HAV skills, turret mod related skills, and some turret type. Then about 2.5 mil to proto any suit. So yeah. Gold luck with that. However, u can run a recent tank with 4 mil SP. Haha
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1293	Posted - 2013.10.27 04:25:00 - [19] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Owch after working it out ....wow I could do one or the other but not both until I hit 20Mill.....Poor me. Let's just pray for a respec first. As I wan't my hands on those Mimmitar HAVs Unless they shield tank. They dual and speed tank. Well if the Minnies are like they are EVE side. I think I'll be q with MN tank guy when they come out. Speed and "gank tank" it just like in chrome. They're so fun :) Tanking tanks is for wimps.
KenKaniff69 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 768	Posted - 2013.10.27 04:31:00 - [20] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: Between 15 and 16 mil SP to max armor/shield skills, basic HAV skills, turret mod related skills, and some turret type. Then about 2.5 mil to proto any suit. So yeah. Gold luck with that. However, u can run a recent tank with 4 mil SP. Haha I feel that the decent 4 million SP tanks will be very ineffective after the vehicle rework. Unless you are fully invested and on your game appears that your skills need to be nearly maxed out to give you a chance.

Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3295	Posted - 2013.10.27 19:08:00 - [21] - Quote Ok, so I'm planning to do the same thing as you. Since I know for a fact that Amarr scout will come before Amarr vehicles, however, I am going to put more emphasis on that right away. So here's my idea: Dropsuit Command Dropsuit Command II: 24,870 Amarr Light Frame III: 273,600 Amarr Scout V: 2,487,360 Total: 2,785,830 Dropsuit Upgrades Dropsuit Upgrades IV: 155,460 Armor Upgrades IV: 310,920 Armor Repair III: 205,200 Dropsuit Biotics IV: 310,920 Cardiac Regulation V: 932,760 Dropsuit Core Upgrades IV: 310,920 Dropsuit Electronics IV: 777,300 Dropsuit Engineering IV: 777,300 System hacking IV: 777,300 Profile Dampening V: 932,760 Active Scanner V: 932,760 Shield Upgrade IV: 310,920 Shield Extension V: 932,760 Total: 7,677,280 Weaponry Weaponry III: 68,400 Explosives I: 12,440 Grenadier I: 24,880 Sidearm Operations I: 12,440 Scrambler Pistol Operation V: 621,840 Total: 740,000 Total Skill Points: 11,180,670 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Now right now I have 11.7 million SP (we're both sort of regretting starting over after Uprising, aren't we True?). By the time 1.7 hits, which I'm assuming is 5 weeks from now, I should have around 14.5 million SP (still have boosters left over). This leaves me with 3.3 million SP to spend on vehicles, so using the new vehicle skills, Vehicle Command Vehicle Command III: 68,400 Dropship Operations I: 24,800 Total: 93,200 Vehicle Upgrades Vehicle Upgrades III: 68,400 Vehicle Armor Upgrades V: 621,840 Vehicle Armor Repair Systems III: 205,200 Vehicle Core Upgrades V: 621,840 Engine Core Calibration III: 342,000 Core Grid Management III: 342,000 Total: 2,201,280 Turret Operation Turret Operations 1: 6,220 Small Turret Operations V: 621,840 Total: 628,060 New Total Skill Points: 14,103,290 So that leaves me with around 400,000 unallocated points which I'll decide upon once the update arrives, and then at least another month or two before we see the pilot suit and we'll already have Amarr vehicles unlocked since the skills aren't race specific anymore for vehicles. Sorry for making this a little more about me, but figure you're close enough to my total skill points that you can use this as a sort of reference.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3295	Posted - 2013.10.27 19:35:00 - [22] - Quote Ok, so let me try to tailor this more towards you. You'll need to take vehicle command to 5, so that's 242,520 more points. HAV Ops 1 is 12,440 more than Dropships Ops 1. You'll need to take turret ops from 1 to 5, so that's 304,700 more points. Then there's turret skills, which should be about the same even though I'm using smalls since I'll use missiles and you'll use blasters for now. Roughly you're looking at spending about 3 million skill points on vehicles to get into a workable fit. So now assuming you have 10 million points now, and there's 5 weeks left until 1.7 and you use no boosters, that should leave you with 11.8 million skill points when we get there. Subtract the 3 million from vehicles, you have 8.8 million to make a good scout. Take away the hacking skills, lower Core Upgrades to III, settle with an advances scanner and only enhanced shield extenders, then the infantry skills I listed will only cost 8.7 million. Just some thoughts, do as you please.


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