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Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 686	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:00:00 - [1] - Quote Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 913	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:02:00 - [2] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Yes, the 0 ISK factor will be what most likely keeps them out of FW.
Joel II X AHPA 71	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:04:00 - [3] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Yes, the 0 ISK factor will be what most likely keeps them out of FW. That'll keep a lot of people out when they need money lol maybe it'll even fix proto stomping for a few.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 394	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:08:00 - [4] - Quote Yay, now I know that i'll never bring out my tank in FW because I wouldn't be able to make a profit. Seriously, did CCP even think about tankers?
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 915	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:10:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yay, now I know that i'll never bring out my tank in FW because I wouldn't be able to make a profit. Seriously, did CCP even think about tankers? AV changes much?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 394	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:12:00 - [6] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Atiim wrote: Yay, now I know that i'll never bring out my tank in FW because I wouldn't be able to make a profit. Seriously, did CCP even think about tankers? AV changes much? You clearly didn't see the sarcasm in that last part. But stil, now there is now reason to bring a tank into FW
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 428	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:18:00 - [7] - Quote In FW I always get over 1100 WPs (only less if I literally just joined and the game is like almost finished). But I've noticed I'm usually the only one g=hacking points and my team is either red line sniping, or wandering aimlessly just to be sniped or roadkill. SO I always get high scores, but my team sucks half the time. Usually if I know I can't win by myself, I just get mad and kill everyone, not focusing on taking objectives.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 197	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:22:00 - [8] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 688	Posted - 2013.10.26 23:28:00 - [9] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck You mad bro, just saying if they are having game modes where there should be competition between different faction that are effecting people making them fight you should have to fight people who have a basic knowledge of the game, inorder for them to get that knowledge they can start in pub contracts and work there way up. What is the point of having noobs fight for faction when they don't even know what they are fighting for.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 472	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:03:00 - [10] - Quote TBH 2 guys can pubstomp entire squads. Me n a corpmate did it just last night on an OMS, other side had a full proto squad, while me n my corpy went 26/3 nd 28/2 whilst all people below us went like 7/5 or so(for the rest of our squad) and blueberries going like 1/3 nd 0/9 nd ****. Yet we still win as a stomp because it was long bridge, funneling people so numbers matter less, whilst me n my squadmate are completely decimating their entire team by ourselves. Protos included. Im just saying its hard as hell to do, but a single person can pull all the weight if conditions are right.

Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 199	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:03:00 - [11] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck You mad bro, just saying if they are having game modes where there should be competition between different faction that are effecting people making them fight you should have to fight people who have a basic knowledge of the game, inorder for them to get that knowledge they can start in pub contracts and work there way up. What is the point of having noobs fight for faction when they don't even know what they are fighting for. Yes I am mad, you disgust me to the core As I have so often seen scrubs like you say ... It's CCP's fault for not having the academy last longer if they haven't done anything about it then why shouldn't they do X / Y / Z .. sorry but if you can protostomp pubgames then blueberries can run around in FW ruining your games and contributing to you losing If you really want to address the issue stop running proto in pubgames give the blueberries a chance ad maybe they wont feel the need to try out FW to try and get away from it all
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 199	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:08:00 - [12] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: TBH 2 guys can pubstomp entire squads. Me n a corpmate did it just last night on an OMS, other side had a full proto squad, while me n my corpy went 26/3 nd 28/2 whilst all people below us went like 7/5 or so(for the rest of our squad) and blueberries going like 1/3 nd 0/9 nd ****. Yet we still win as a stomp because it was long bridge, funneling people so numbers matter less, whilst me n my squadmate are completely decimating their entire team by ourselves. Protos included. Im just saying its hard as hell to do, but a single person can pull all the weight if conditions are right. I've heard the E=PEEN waving all before, you are wasting your time Yes yes you've done this and that when using this and that gear .. yadda yadda yadda .. so have I so has everyone else .. we aren't talking what can happen every now and again we are talking about what happens MOST of the time
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1694	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:13:00 - [13] - Quote Yea I feel your pain. It seems that blueberries are leaving pub matches because quite possibly they are tired of corps proto stomping folks, so they go to FW looking for something different but the problem is, they haven't learned anything from pubs. We really need to up the ante on Dust uni and blueberry prep work. Somehow we gotta get these guys trained on how to fight in New Eden. There are so many players who aren't getting it, instinctively. Then you look to see that your teammates had about 2 kills and maybe 20 deaths.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 472	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:19:00 - [14] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: TBH 2 guys can pubstomp entire squads. Me n a corpmate did it just last night on an OMS, other side had a full proto squad, while me n my corpy went 26/3 nd 28/2 whilst all people below us went like 7/5 or so(for the rest of our squad) and blueberries going like 1/3 nd 0/9 nd ****. Yet we still win as a stomp because it was long bridge, funneling people so numbers matter less, whilst me n my squadmate are completely decimating their entire team by ourselves. Protos included. Im just saying its hard as hell to do, but a single person can pull all the weight if conditions are right. I've heard the E=PEEN waving all before, you are wasting your time Yes yes you've done this and that when using this and that gear .. yadda yadda yadda .. so have I so has everyone else .. we aren't talking what can happen every now and again we are talking about what happens MOST of the time Wasn't talking to you, GTFO scrub. I was reaffirming OP telling to not give up because theres a damn decent chance he could have one of his best games ever if his team sucks.
Aviles Novashift 5	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:19:00 - [15] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck You mad bro, just saying if they are having game modes where there should be competition between different faction that are effecting people making them fight you should have to fight people who have a basic knowledge of the game, inorder for them to get that knowledge they can start in pub contracts and work there way up. What is the point of having noobs fight for faction when they don't even know what they are fighting for. Yes I am mad, you disgust me to the core As I have so often seen scrubs like you say ... It's CCP's fault for not having the academy last longer if they haven't done anything about it then why shouldn't they do X / Y / Z .. sorry but if you can protostomp pubgames then blueberries can run around in FW ruining your games and contributing to you losing If you really want to address the issue stop running proto in pubgames give the blueberries a chance and maybe they wont feel the need to try out FW to try and get away from it all .... Every single counter or troll you have ever written in support of protostomping can be counter used and applied in response here so .... Fill in the gaps and the conclusion is HTFU Lots of anger there...but your right. I have experience and still get way madder when my team gets pubstomped then if bueberries "ruin" the match. If your new you need to learn the game and going into battle is the only way. Pubstomping in most cases is basicly someone who knows the game already taking advantage of those who don't. Even as far as calling out extra HAVs when they alredy are wining the match by a land slide. I know if my team is wining a match by a land slide I go to lower gear not because im trying to be nice but because it makes sense. Why waste my high end gear destroying the opposition? Its a waste of ISK and just makes me look like a jerk.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 688	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:21:00 - [16] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck You mad bro, just saying if they are having game modes where there should be competition between different faction that are effecting people making them fight you should have to fight people who have a basic knowledge of the game, inorder for them to get that knowledge they can start in pub contracts and work there way up. What is the point of having noobs fight for faction when they don't even know what they are fighting for. Yes I am mad, you disgust me to the core As I have so often seen scrubs like you say ... It's CCP's fault for not having the academy last longer if they haven't done anything about it then why shouldn't they do X / Y / Z .. sorry but if you can protostomp pubgames then blueberries can run around in FW ruining your games and contributing to you losing If you really want to address the issue stop running proto in pubgames give the blueberries a chance and maybe they wont feel the need to try out FW to try and get away from it all .... Every single counter or troll you have ever written in support of protostomping can be counter used and applied in response here so .... Fill in the gaps and the conclusion is HTFU So when the other team has 10 protosuit on there side you are saying i should run standard, when i have the ISK to wear protosuit and actually combat them to help out my team and try to push them back, no you are saying i should restrict myself to standard and just let myself get ass raped, by the 10 protosuits. I don't wear protosuit just when things are going good, i will wear protosuits even if i know i will lose 10-20 of them inorder to help out my team. Do i need to be a greedy cheap ass hole 24/7 and just think about myself and not the people i fight with in order to be a good person in your mind.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 200	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:47:00 - [17] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck You mad bro, just saying if they are having game modes where there should be competition between different faction that are effecting people making them fight you should have to fight people who have a basic knowledge of the game, inorder for them to get that knowledge they can start in pub contracts and work there way up. What is the point of having noobs fight for faction when they don't even know what they are fighting for. Yes I am mad, you disgust me to the core As I have so often seen scrubs like you say ... It's CCP's fault for not having the academy last longer if they haven't done anything about it then why shouldn't they do X / Y / Z .. sorry but if you can protostomp pubgames then blueberries can run around in FW ruining your games and contributing to you losing If you really want to address the issue stop running proto in pubgames give the blueberries a chance and maybe they wont feel the need to try out FW to try and get away from it all .... Every single counter or troll you have ever written in support of protostomping can be counter used and applied in response here so .... Fill in the gaps and the conclusion is HTFU So when the other team has 10 protosuit on there side you are saying i should run standard, when i have the ISK to wear protosuit and actually combat them to help out my team and try to push them back, no you are saying i should restrict myself to standard and just let myself get ass raped, by the 10 protosuits. I don't wear protosuit just when things are going good, i will wear protosuits even if i know i will lose 10-20 of them inorder to help out my team. Do i need to be a greedy cheap ass hole 24/7 and just think about myself and not the people i fight with in order to be a good person in your mind. You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 200	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:50:00 - [18] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: TBH 2 guys can pubstomp entire squads. Me n a corpmate did it just last night on an OMS, other side had a full proto squad, while me n my corpy went 26/3 nd 28/2 whilst all people below us went like 7/5 or so(for the rest of our squad) and blueberries going like 1/3 nd 0/9 nd **. Yet we still win as a stomp because it was long bridge, funneling people so numbers matter less, whilst me n my squadmate are completely decimating their entire team by ourselves. Protos included. Im just saying its hard as hell to do, but a single person can pull all the weight if conditions are right. I've heard the E=PEEN waving all before, you are wasting your time Yes yes you've done this and that when using this and that gear .. yadda yadda yadda .. so have I so has everyone else .. we aren't talking what can happen every now and again we are talking about what happens MOST of the time Wasn't talking to you, GTFO scrub. I was reaffirming OP telling to not give up because theres a damn decent chance he could have one of his best games ever if his team sucks. Don;t butt into the middle of someone else's conversation and then claim you weren't talking to me .. no one was talking to you before you interjected your thoughts and therefore I am totally justified in telling you my thoughts Logics a *** aint it You use proto constantly in pubgames .. we all know who the real scrub is xD
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 688	Posted - 2013.10.27 00:58:00 - [19] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames As you may see i said i want FW to make more of a difference so people who know what they are doing in FW, what would be the point of FW if it is just the same thing as Pub matches. I want FW to be meaningful that's why is part of the reason i am saying i can't wait for the new FW changes.
howard sanchez expert intervention Caldari State 802	Posted - 2013.10.27 01:00:00 - [20] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: [quote=Viktor Hadah Jr Yes I am mad, you disgust me to the core As I have so often seen scrubs like you say ... It's CCP's fault for not having the academy last longer if they haven't done anything about it then why shouldn't they do X / Y / Z .. sorry but if you can protostomp pubgames then blueberries can run around in FW ruining your games and contributing to you losing If you really want to address the issue stop running proto in pubgames give the blueberries a chance and maybe they wont feel the need to try out FW to try and get away from it all .... Every single counter or troll you have ever written in support of protostomping can be counter used and applied in response here so .... Fill in the gaps and the conclusion is HTFU So when the other team has 10 protosuit on there side you are saying i should run standard, when i have the ISK to wear protosuit and actually combat them to help out my team and try to push them back, no you are saying i should restrict myself to standard and just let myself get ass raped, by the 10 protosuits. I don't wear protosuit just when things are going good, i will wear protosuits even if i know i will lose 10-20 of them inorder to help out my team. Do i need to be a greedy cheap ass hole 24/7 and just think about myself and not the people i fight with in order to be a good person in your mind. You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames Uh, everybody.this guy, right here, is like, supermad. Do not look at him. Just sayin

Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 200	Posted - 2013.10.27 01:14:00 - [21] - Quote howard sanchez wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: [quote=Viktor Hadah Jr Yes I am mad, you disgust me to the core As I have so often seen scrubs like you say ... It's CCP's fault for not having the academy last longer if they haven't done anything about it then why shouldn't they do X / Y / Z .. sorry but if you can protostomp pubgames then blueberries can run around in FW ruining your games and contributing to you losing If you really want to address the issue stop running proto in pubgames give the blueberries a chance and maybe they wont feel the need to try out FW to try and get away from it all .... Every single counter or troll you have ever written in support of protostomping can be counter used and applied in response here so .... Fill in the gaps and the conclusion is HTFU So when the other team has 10 protosuit on there side you are saying i should run standard, when i have the ISK to wear protosuit and actually combat them to help out my team and try to push them back, no you are saying i should restrict myself to standard and just let myself get ass raped, by the 10 protosuits. I don't wear protosuit just when things are going good, i will wear protosuits even if i know i will lose 10-20 of them inorder to help out my team. Do i need to be a greedy cheap ass hole 24/7 and just think about myself and not the people i fight with in order to be a good person in your mind. You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames Uh, everybody.this guy, right here, is like, supermad. Do not look at him. Just sayin Did you know that when you were born the Doctor turned round and slapped your mother ?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3658	Posted - 2013.10.27 01:15:00 - [22] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames No he is right mate, they need to stay out if they don't care, they make no difference, cost us the core and dedicated FW players matches, and glean no real benefit from FW when you compare it to Public Matches. I do not want to make FW more exclusive however I do want to make it more demanding and have real consequences. Fight for Amarr and you wont fight Gallente or Minmatar, fight for one of them and you wont fight for the other two factions. If you TK you get kicked with ever increasing bans on FW play time. Make FW what it was meant to be a play ground for the loyal and money grubbers. FW IS the step up from Pub matches, all newbie do is feed me kills and from watching them in action, lose us matches. It is not arrogance it is a truth, they cannot be trusted to hold even the most defensible of locations. This is also not a mind set reserved for L33t players niche gamers, in NEW EDEN no body with bother with you if you ** around, it is the same here as it is in EVE. You up listening to your FC and you will get chewed out later about it. ** up in matches in Dust you do and will get ridiculed for it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 398	Posted - 2013.10.27 01:23:00 - [23] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames No he is right mate, they need to stay out if they don't care, they make no difference, cost us the core and dedicated FW players matches, and glean no real benefit from FW when you compare it to Public Matches. I do not want to make FW more exclusive however I do want to make it more demanding and have real consequences. Fight for Amarr and you wont fight Gallente or Minmatar, fight for one of them and you wont fight for the other two factions. If you TK you get kicked with ever increasing bans on FW play time. Make FW what it was meant to be a play ground for the loyal and money grubbers. FW IS the step up from Pub matches, all newbie do is feed me kills and from watching them in action, lose us matches. It is not arrogance it is a truth, they cannot be trusted to hold even the most defensible of locations. This is also not a mind set reserved for L33t players niche gamers, in NEW EDEN no body with bother with you if you ** around, it is the same here as it is in EVE. You up listening to your FC and you will get chewed out later about it. ** up in matches in Dust you do and will get ridiculed for it. Oh how I've feared the day where I'd find myself in agreement with a Praetorian. I now fear for my mental health. But Adamance is correct, new players shouldn't be allowed in FW. They are a complete liability, and detrimental to the efforts of the Republic, Federation, State, and Empire. In layman's terms: n00bs in FW cause us to lose matches and they are a big FU to corps like Turlayon, Gradient, and PIE.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3658	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:29:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames No he is right mate, they need to stay out if they don't care, they make no difference, cost us the core and dedicated FW players matches, and glean no real benefit from FW when you compare it to Public Matches. I do not want to make FW more exclusive however I do want to make it more demanding and have real consequences. Fight for Amarr and you wont fight Gallente or Minmatar, fight for one of them and you wont fight for the other two factions. If you TK you get kicked with ever increasing bans on FW play time. Make FW what it was meant to be a play ground for the loyal and money grubbers. FW IS the step up from Pub matches, all newbie do is feed me kills and from watching them in action, lose us matches. It is not arrogance it is a truth, they cannot be trusted to hold even the most defensible of locations. This is also not a mind set reserved for L33t players niche gamers, in NEW EDEN no body with bother with you if you ** around, it is the same here as it is in EVE. You up listening to your FC and you will get chewed out later about it. up in matches in Dust you do and will get ridiculed for it. Oh how I've feared the day where I'd find myself in agreement with a Praetorian. I now fear for my mental health. But Adamance is correct, new players shouldn't be allowed in FW. They are a complete liability, and detrimental to the efforts of the Republic, Federation, State, and Empire. In layman's terms: n00bs in FW cause us to lose matches and they are a big FU to corps like Turlayon, Gradient, and PIE. I think I am explaining this poorly. IN EVE FW is a legitimate way to spend your time, ISK, etc and some corps more so than others focus on it and make their goals to support that factions however they can. PIE is one of them, and have been doing it for 10 yrs. Now that's a *** long time to be doing anything, especially playing a game. Now in Dust FW is not a legitimate career if you will, not yet, and wont be for some time. But I enjoy spending my time and ISK fighting in it anyway. Is it wrong that a less skilled players, and by no means am I trying to proclaim my amazing skills and massive E-peen, is ruining, directly, my enjoyment of the game I choose to play by not taking this as seriously as me especially when we have game modes that do not impact upon the empires, or New Eden? No its not, they don't mean to, they just are. Nor is right to say because someone feels this way they are some elitist prick, which of course they are not, especially in the Op's case since I have had the opportunity to squad with him before . As Atiim said, and mate I too am *** worried for the safety of the universe as we know it, it is a big FU to corps who are putting a massive amount of effort. However yes, CCP needs to take responsibility for poor match making and low academy time.... but even should that be the case If they walk into an FW match and ** around, they should not expect any respect, or acknowledgment from me. FW is really not a place for solo players. Its doable sure, but it is corps that do and should rule the FW world, and jeopardising the efforts of these corps through inaction is as bad as saying "Man all of you are elitist pricks". Back to my point. Soloists and new players unfortunately ruin more oft than not my enjoyment of this game. Not because they are doing anything specifically wrong but because they are contributing in a meaningful way to something I care about, when they most apparently do not. Which provokes this response and me saying "If you don't care why are you here?". Short answer is they don't have a reason, they don't care who wins, they want to feel like they are a part of something.... and sadly they are but not in a positive manner like they would like to think. In B4 "you absolute tool, everyone is entitled to play the way they way" (to which I respond well don't expect me to care) and "Dust is Dead".... etc.
XxGhazbaranxX The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 470	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:39:00 - [25] - Quote I actually feel a little bit disturbed by Factional warfare changes. No isk payouts and the need for isk to redeem any factional items makes it a bit harsh for those players that actually want to support their militia. More than that this woulnt be a problem but there isn't going to be a player to player market any time soon which may be the death of factional warfare for anyone that can't afford it. I feel it will be empty for some time and those militias that already have low supporter count will suffer most of all.
Powerh8er Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men. 196	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:42:00 - [26] - Quote As an armor tank berserk heavy im worried about friendly fire.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1694	Posted - 2013.10.27 02:58:00 - [27] - Quote Yea I definitely agree with what True is saying. FW is serious. We are fighting for our factions. It's no time for you to be half assing through a FW. It really ticks me off at times because if I'm fighting for Caldari or helping my Amarrian allies, we got jokers who seem to be "play testing" on the field. Why the hell are you playing with a LAV and/or dropship? Aren't we the Caldari? Hell, I got into a huge argument because I told a guy in my squad I'm not playing Gallente. You damn right I'm not fighting for Gallente. Problem with it? EFF you.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 203	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:31:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: You are already an ass hole 24/7 using protogear in pubgames so what difference does it make, you wont change your ways I'm just pointing out that you are a hypocrite I actually understand your point but you cannot ask for new players to not be allowed to take part in FW on one hand and then continue to use and defend the use of protogear on the other hand You either get onboard the fix matchmaking train or you stay on the leave it as it is platform you cant segregate new players away from FW for your benefit and not segregate the vets from the new players in pubgames No he is right mate, they need to stay out if they don't care, they make no difference, cost us the core and dedicated FW players matches, and glean no real benefit from FW when you compare it to Public Matches. I do not want to make FW more exclusive however I do want to make it more demanding and have real consequences. Fight for Amarr and you wont fight Gallente or Minmatar, fight for one of them and you wont fight for the other two factions. If you TK you get kicked with ever increasing bans on FW play time. Make FW what it was meant to be a play ground for the loyal and money grubbers. FW IS the step up from Pub matches, all newbie do is feed me kills and from watching them in action, lose us matches. It is not arrogance it is a truth, they cannot be trusted to hold even the most defensible of locations. This is also not a mind set reserved for L33t players niche gamers, in NEW EDEN no body with bother with you if you ** around, it is the same here as it is in EVE. You up listening to your FC and you will get chewed out later about it. ** up in matches in Dust you do and will get ridiculed for it. Have you not read about the LP system for FW ? The fact that you don;t get ISK rewards in it either ? It's being fixed I've made threads about ways to improve FW I wanted players to be forced into fighting on behalf of the initial race that they chose I mean seriously why would the Caldari hire a merc from Gallente to fight v Gallente ? It makes absolutely no sense to me anyways .. My replies to the OP were about him being a hypocrite posting HTFU on protostomping in pubgame threads and then coming here complaining about something that he doesn't like Supposedly FW changes are soon TM but i'd rather Pubgames were sorted out 1st ... CCP have neglected new players for too long I mean they have only just added a tutorial ffs so they need to make pubgames more fun for everyone before they sort out FW
Lea Silencio D3ath D3alers 533	Posted - 2013.10.27 03:42:00 - [29] - Quote Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck Let me tell you a little something about Viktor, smart guy.... He ONLY plays FW. If you read the description, it says FW is for "large squads or groups" and that public matches are for solo mercs or small squads. You can't blame him if 15 other random newberries say to themselves "hmmmm...well this looks good. I'll join this"! I guess if I see a newberry in FW, I'm supposed to stop and let him kill me to balance the scales? Pfft.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 204	Posted - 2013.10.27 21:28:00 - [30] - Quote Lea Silencio wrote: Rinzler XVII wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Just played a match for Amarr with about 12 NPC corp guys on my side and lost. If you added up all the kills the other 15 guys on my team got then multiplied it by 3 i would still have the majority of the kills on our side. These new guys out of FW should stay out really need to stay out of FW for a few weeks before they learn the gameplay. Why the hell should they ? You protostomp in pubgames saying I have it, its mine so ill use it as i please and then have the cheek to complain about new players not being very good in FW and telling them to play something else ? Seriously go f*** yourself ... your arrogance is disgusting so shove your egotistical self important nonsense where the sun doesn't shine you cckmunching prck Let me tell you a little something about Viktor, smart guy.... He ONLY plays FW. If you read the description, it says FW is for "large squads or groups" and that public matches are for solo mercs or small squads. You can't blame him if 15 other random newberries say to themselves "hmmmm...well this looks good. I'll join this"! I guess if I see a newberry in FW, I'm supposed to stop and let him kill me to balance the scales? Pfft. No because FW is a free for all it has an affect on the EVE universe and therefore anything goes from gear to the participation of new and experienced players alike .. PC is the game mode i'd accept a vets only tag but not FW If pubgames were more balanced and matchmaking didn;t put 500k sp new academy graduates in against full squads of guys in full proto with 10m SP+ then maybe less new players would play FW but as it stands the reason why new players do FW is because they are trying to see if any of the other game modes offer something different to the usual stomping they get game after game If matchmaking was fixed then you could justifiably say new players should stick to pubgames as it's more new player friendly but as it stands FW and Pubgames are one in the same I'd like FW to be more serious but I'm not arrogant enough to tell players to stick to getting stomped in Pubgames so the vets can have fun in FW when you are the ones denying them the same fun in pubgames .. stop using your most expensive and prized gear in a gamemode which is meaningless to buff your own egotistical sense of importance and maybe new players will stay away from FW ...



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