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Pete B
THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.26 11:15:00 -
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I actually expected the rail-rifle to be burst. As its a railgun, it would run off capacitors, and when the gun is fired, the first set of capacitors would be used, then a short buffer time to charge them. Meaning only a few shots would get off before it would need a half second charge, giving it a burst effect.
I also kinda expected the combat rifle to be a single shot, high powered rifle with a very large heat capacity. Kinda like a scrambler rifle without the charge up, and only able to get off 8 shots before overheating. A sharpshooter weapon between the sniper and the tactical rifle. With the assault variant having 6 rounds in its clip and a 3 round burst, but the same damage.
But Minmatar have been all about fast fire rate, so it may of been silly of me to expect that. Even still though, a burst rifle doesn't fit in with a fast fire rate HMG and SMG with a specific burst fire variant of HMG. And with Caldari being about single, high power shots looking at the rail-gun snipers, forge-guns, and rail-gun turrets, a full auto assault rifle doesn't quite fit in with what they are about.
Just my two cents that the new weapons don't quite fit in with their races. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.26 11:24:00 -
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Eh. It's been known for months that the combat rifle would be a burst weapon and that the rail rifle would be more of a breach weapon.
Also, you may get what you want for the combat rifle in the form of the rumoured precision rifle. SoonGäó. |
DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.26 11:36:00 -
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No one will hear your feedback in this thread. Please go to https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117279. |
Pete B
THE GOD'Z THEMSELVES The Scourge.
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Posted - 2013.10.26 11:53:00 -
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umm, thats a 404 link |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.10.26 11:56:00 -
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RR is still about slower high power shots, its based on the breach after all And why would a projectile weapon like the CR has a huge heat build up? Its firing bullets not lasers like the scrambler |
DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.26 11:58:00 -
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Stupid dot after the number. fixed |
I-Shayz-I
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.26 13:28:00 -
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Actually, it fits quite well with the races.
Combat rifle actually has the highest RoF of all rifles, in line with the HMG and SMG (keep in mind the HMG also does burst). To balance this, they make it burst, but the rate of fire for the bursts is still super fast. This means that you're more likely to hit a player with all 3 rounds than you are to hit someone with 3 rounds of an assault rifle. This is especially good for heatshots. It being a projectile weapon, it does more damage to armor just like the rest of the minmatar weapons.
The Rail Rifle is a slow firing weapon with a charge effect just like every other railgun in the game, except that it's also a rifle so it is able to fire rounds more quickly. The slower fire rate allows for more damage, but requires a very skilled player to use correctly. This makes it a lot like the sniper and forge guns, which require that the player values accuracy to make sure the damage goes where it should.
I'm guessing that the Assault combat rifle will funtion much like the regular assault rifle, and the Assault rail rifle will be more like the Assault Scrambler...that is, good at close range, but not as good as the standard one at long range. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:27:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Actually, it fits quite well with the races.
Combat rifle actually has the highest RoF of all rifles, in line with the HMG and SMG (keep in mind the HMG also does burst). To balance this, they make it burst, but the rate of fire for the bursts is still super fast. This means that you're more likely to hit a player with all 3 rounds than you are to hit someone with 3 rounds of an assault rifle. This is especially good for heatshots. It being a projectile weapon, it does more damage to armor just like the rest of the minmatar weapons.
The Rail Rifle is a slow firing weapon with a charge effect just like every other railgun in the game, except that it's also a rifle so it is able to fire rounds more quickly. The slower fire rate allows for more damage, but requires a very skilled player to use correctly. This makes it a lot like the sniper and forge guns, which require that the player values accuracy to make sure the damage goes where it should.
I'm guessing that the Assault combat rifle will funtion much like the regular assault rifle, and the Assault rail rifle will be more like the Assault Scrambler...that is, good at close range, but not as good as the standard one at long range. The Assault Combat rifle will have a high RoF and low DMG while the Assault rail will be a low RoF and high DMG. |
Meeko Fent
expert intervention Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.26 14:56:00 -
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While I frown at have the rail rifle have charge up time, the charge up will be so negligible, it will not really impact performance.
I think CCP should dial down the RRs damage a bit so it's DPS is less then the Blaster Rifle (Rail Rifle-420 Blaster Rifle-425) so it doesn't become the new omnigun.
That, or increase the amount of dispersion when hip firing to something like Tac.
TBQH, I'd prefer if they just dialed back the rail rifles damage so it and is Gallente counterpart have a large difference in usability. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:03:00 -
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Disappointed in rifles you haven't even fired yet?
Smh. |
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:45:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Eh. It's been known for months that the combat rifle would be a burst weapon and that the rail rifle would be more of a breach weapon.
Also, you may get what you want for the combat rifle in the form of the rumoured precision rifle. SoonGäó. Since early in closed beta |
Joel II X
AHPA
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:16:00 -
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Combat Rifle has automatic and tactical.
rail rifle only has auto.
Maybe they should have burst, too? |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:22:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Combat Rifle has automatic and tactical.
rail rifle only has auto.
Maybe they should have burst, too? No...the lower dmg rails are fully auto the other is tac or something also combat is a burst not a tac.. has a fully auto version with low dmg |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:27:00 -
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Nvm I apologize your right with the rail only full auto? Damn... |
Byozuma Kegawa
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:28:00 -
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I'm not going to be satisfied unless rail rifle fire leaves trails of tiny smoke rings. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:33:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:While I frown at have the rail rifle have charge up time, the charge up will be so negligible, it will not really impact performance.
I think CCP should dial down the RRs damage a bit so it's DPS is less then the Blaster Rifle (Rail Rifle-420 Blaster Rifle-425) so it doesn't become the new omnigun.
That, or increase the amount of dispersion when hip firing to something like Tac.
TBQH, I'd prefer if they just dialed back the rail rifles damage so it and is Gallente counterpart have a large difference in usability. I agree. I will be using one since it's a hybrid weapon, but I don't want it to be OP and get nerfed to high heaven. |
Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:37:00 -
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Amarr Scrambler Rifle : Semi-Auto. Was => Tactical Assault Rifle. Mid/Long Range.
Gallente : Full auto. Close range.
Minimatarr : Burst Was => Burst assault rifle. GK-13 Close Mid range.
Caldari : Full auto low RoF. was => Breach. Long range.
Better ? It was always intended like that. Only problem => The actual Gallente AR is supposed to be close range but is still REALLY EFFECTIVE. at Mid/Long Rang. Is better effective than Laser rifle that is supposed to outperform all Mid range weapon since he's useless at long and close range.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:38:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:I'm not going to be satisfied unless rail rifle fire leaves trails of tiny smoke rings. Its going to look like lightning |
Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:40:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote: While I frown at have the rail rifle have charge up time, the charge up will be so negligible, it will not really impact performance.
=> Yes it will. Your camera willl shake on fire and it will be really hard to aim with accuracy while your weapon is charging.
Don't forget the actual Gallente Assault rifle is TOTALLY overpowered. It's supposed to be a close range weapon but is still too much effective at mid-range because of it's high RoF. Still melting 1000hp in less than 5sec at 80meters while his range is supposed to be 40. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.26 17:52:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:While I frown at have the rail rifle have charge up time, the charge up will be so negligible, it will not really impact performance.
I think CCP should dial down the RRs damage a bit so it's DPS is less then the Blaster Rifle (Rail Rifle-420 Blaster Rifle-425) so it doesn't become the new omnigun.
That, or increase the amount of dispersion when hip firing to something like Tac.
TBQH, I'd prefer if they just dialed back the rail rifles damage so it and is Gallente counterpart have a large difference in usability. I assume they learned ther lesson from the first breach AR. |
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Byozuma Kegawa
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:02:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Byozuma Kegawa wrote:I'm not going to be satisfied unless rail rifle fire leaves trails of tiny smoke rings. Its going to look like lightning /woosh |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:04:00 -
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Honestly if the rof is to slow for the rail it won't matter how much range it has it will still suck try the current breach and even within 1-10m you still get stomped and that's its sweet spot soo... |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
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Posted - 2013.10.26 18:11:00 -
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Byozuma Kegawa wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Byozuma Kegawa wrote:I'm not going to be satisfied unless rail rifle fire leaves trails of tiny smoke rings. Its going to look like lightning /woosh Also sounds of thunder when you shoot |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:13:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Honestly if the rof is to slow for the rail it won't matter how much range it has it will still suck try the current breach and even within 1-10m you still get stomped and that's its sweet spot soo... Well, no. At that range, other rifles will deal way less damage. Also, dont forget that the rail rifle will be extremely ammo efficient. |
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