DUST Search - The New AV weapon. (For Smart people)

THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:

The 80gj compressed particle cannon with damage mods, a heat build up reduction module, fitted onto a MLT tank sitting on top of a hill.
Fact is the swarms as well as AV grenades will be completely useless with that kind of damage and range, and the only way to kill a tank would be by following it in an LAV while the tanks retreating for cooldown on its hardeners, except the charybdis will be removed so no LAV will be able to follow any tank and survive.
Also the FG is almost guaranteed to have a similar nerf to uselessness by the time these changes are implemented.
SO!
That leaves 2 more reliable ways to kill tanks, large blasters & rails. To use a blaster means to go toe to toe, requiring a better tank than your enemy. That requires millions upon millions of SP, so not an option. Thus we're left with rails. Using a 80gj compressed particle cannon with heat build up reduction modules seems to be the best way to go, as it doesn't require you to be specced in more than necessary, and will allow a consistent way to fight back, by rail sniping.
Theres also the possibility that heat build up reduction modules will be some of the modules removed initially, if so, the normal 80gj particle cannon will be far superior for this purpose.

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THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 468	Posted - 2013.10.26 10:18:00 - [1] - Quote The 80gj compressed particle cannon with damage mods, a heat build up reduction module, fitted onto a MLT tank sitting on top of a hill. Fact is the swarms as well as AV grenades will be completely useless with that kind of damage and range, and the only way to kill a tank would be by following it in an LAV while the tanks retreating for cooldown on its hardeners, except the charybdis will be removed so no LAV will be able to follow any tank and survive. Also the FG is almost guaranteed to have a similar nerf to uselessness by the time these changes are implemented. SO! That leaves 2 more reliable ways to kill tanks, large blasters & rails. To use a blaster means to go toe to toe, requiring a better tank than your enemy. That requires millions upon millions of SP, so not an option. Thus we're left with rails. Using a 80gj compressed particle cannon with heat build up reduction modules seems to be the best way to go, as it doesn't require you to be specced in more than necessary, and will allow a consistent way to fight back, by rail sniping. Theres also the possibility that heat build up reduction modules will be some of the modules removed initially, if so, the normal 80gj particle cannon will be far superior for this purpose.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 59	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:11:00 - [2] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: The 80gj compressed particle cannon with damage mods, a heat build up reduction module, fitted onto a MLT tank sitting on top of a hill. Fact is the swarms as well as AV grenades will be completely useless with that kind of damage and range, and the only way to kill a tank would be by following it in an LAV while the tanks retreating for cooldown on its hardeners, except the charybdis will be removed so no LAV will be able to follow any tank and survive. Also the FG is almost guaranteed to have a similar nerf to uselessness by the time these changes are implemented. SO! That leaves 2 more reliable ways to kill tanks, large blasters & rails. To use a blaster means to go toe to toe, requiring a better tank than your enemy. That requires millions upon millions of SP, so not an option. Thus we're left with rails. Using a 80gj compressed particle cannon with heat build up reduction modules seems to be the best way to go, as it doesn't require you to be specced in more than necessary, and will allow a consistent way to fight back, by rail sniping. Theres also the possibility that heat build up reduction modules will be some of the modules removed initially, if so, the normal 80gj particle cannon will be far superior for this purpose. i would just spawn a madruagr witht he same cannon and my usal iam going to beat your face fit. why putsuch an expesnive turret on a mlt tank that is esy to pop. when i cold get a madruagr that basically *** on a soma in every aera and is easy to keep alive. and since the compressed only uses 3 shots. just to ** in your face iam going to use a standard 80j particle cannon and pump out 12 shots at you just make sure your squishy tank is dead.
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 473	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:16:00 - [3] - Quote Or get one of the new rebalanced dropships, fly high into the sky, fly on top of the tank and drop 5 of your friends with forgeguns, swars, av 'nades and PC.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1976	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:28:00 - [4] - Quote That is like saying ; Hop in your left foot twice, then 3 times in your right foot, turn around 5 times to the left, then 10 times to the right, jump 2 times, kneel 3 times, pick your nose, scratch your ass, drink a glass of water outside down... an then shoot. Why can we just have an AV weapon ? You know... something that you shoot, and destroys vehicles .
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 106	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:32:00 - [5] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Why can we just have an AV weapon ? You know... something that shoot, and destroys vehicles . We have those, only they usually won't work solo.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1976	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:35:00 - [6] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Why can we just have an AV weapon ? You know... something that shoot, and destroys vehicles . We have those, only they usually won't work solo. So we need team work to destroy a Solo tank ? well... that makes sense....ONE guy killing everyone alone, and the other team working together to kill that ONE guy.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 774	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:44:00 - [7] - Quote btw announced nerfed proto swarms will require half a minute to destroy announced high end ARMOR tanks
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 1164	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:50:00 - [8] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: btw announced nerfed proto swarms will require half a minute to destroy announced high end ARMOR tanks Only if they have a perfect fit and you are hitting them while their hardeners are active and a tank sitting getting punished like that is heading off to the redline to go wait for its extremely slow armour reps to bring it back up, so job done tank gone for a while. If we had WP for more than just killing tanks I would see this as positive maybe a tank suppression WP or something for damage done as scaring a tank off is also a desirable outcome. Plus non of these changes are final so hopefully CCP take a look at the feedback.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1272	Posted - 2013.10.26 12:47:00 - [9] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: DeeJay One wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Why can we just have an AV weapon ? You know... something that shoot, and destroys vehicles . We have those, only they usually won't work solo. So we need team work to destroy a Solo tank ? well... that makes sense....ONE guy killing everyone alone, and the other team working together to kill that ONE guy. Go to the EVE fourm, and ask to solo a cap ship in a sup cap really easy. Go see what kind of response you get. Go ahead.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1272	Posted - 2013.10.26 12:50:00 - [10] - Quote compressed rails are being removed for a rework.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2249	Posted - 2013.10.26 12:51:00 - [11] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: DeeJay One wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Why can we just have an AV weapon ? You know... something that shoot, and destroys vehicles . We have those, only they usually won't work solo. So we need team work to destroy a Solo tank ? well... that makes sense....ONE guy killing everyone alone, and the other team working together to kill that ONE guy. Go to the EVE fourm, and ask to solo a cap ship in a sup cap really easy. Go see what kind of response you get. Go ahead. Go to a military forum and ask them about all the man portable weapons that can destroy a tank, see what responses you get Go ahead Inb4 "This isnt real life" because I can link to a post you made minutes about bringing up real life concerning this stuff when some guy was saying tanks should be focused on destroying tanks not infantry and the first line of your response was "1: tanks takes out infantry irl"
I-Shayz-I Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 1143	Posted - 2013.10.26 12:55:00 - [12] - Quote Meh, I just use my mass driver to kill tanks (or at least make them run)
Justice Prevails Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 63	Posted - 2013.10.26 13:02:00 - [13] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Meh, I just use my mass driver to kill tanks (or at least make them run) Never used MD before. How effective is it for av?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1272	Posted - 2013.10.26 13:06:00 - [14] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: DeeJay One wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Why can we just have an AV weapon ? You know... something that shoot, and destroys vehicles . We have those, only they usually won't work solo. So we need team work to destroy a Solo tank ? well... that makes sense....ONE guy killing everyone alone, and the other team working together to kill that ONE guy. Go to the EVE forum, and ask to solo a cap ship in a sup cap really easy. Go see what kind of response you get. Go ahead. Go to a military forum and ask them about all the man portable weapons that can destroy a tank, see what responses you get Go ahead Inb4 "This isn't real life" because I can link to a post you made minutes about bringing up real life concerning this stuff when some guy was saying tanks should be focused on destroying tanks not infantry and the first line of your response was "1: tanks takes out infantry irl" I know I typed that, so I'm not denying that. But that logic doesn't count here. A tank irl has a main cannon, and I'm sure it can kill a person. That's called logic since I'm assuming he was going to go there (as all you scrubs seem to like to), therefore, any turret we got should kill them, unless their purpose is not killing at all (like a mining laser or something). We also have man potable weapons that are made to kill vehicles, as that kind of thing just doesn't go away. But, according to the lore, a AV weapon doesn't just kill as easily as we have armor and shielding systems that negates that. So no, I don't have to go to a military forum, as that logic doesn't make sense here. Like I said, go to the EVE forum, d say that a sub cap should be able to solo a cap ship easy.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1978	Posted - 2013.10.26 13:07:00 - [15] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: DeeJay One wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Why can we just have an AV weapon ? You know... something that shoot, and destroys vehicles . We have those, only they usually won't work solo. So we need team work to destroy a Solo tank ? well... that makes sense....ONE guy killing everyone alone, and the other team working together to kill that ONE guy. Go to the EVE fourm, and ask to solo a cap ship in a sup cap really easy. Go see what kind of response you get. Go ahead. Is EvE a First Person Shooter ?
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1272	Posted - 2013.10.26 13:08:00 - [16] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: Meh, I just use my mass driver to kill tanks (or at least make them run) Never used MD before. How effective is it for av? If you have fluxes. you can solo a Caldari HAV with one.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1895	Posted - 2013.10.26 13:32:00 - [17] - Quote With the changes to swarms, I can see a possible intention to shift AV to heavies, relegating swarms to a supporting role.
Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1298	Posted - 2013.10.26 14:16:00 - [18] - Quote Or, you POTHEAD, you, perhaps you may now need 2 swarm launchers to kill a tank. Because, with 2 swarms, you have four thirds the damage of the current swarm launcher, already which one can solo a tank with. Get a buddy.

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