DUST Search - When people say "current tanks are balanced"...?

Exmaple Core wrote:

Meeko Fent wrote:

Myself, My tank lasted long enough to earn me some money.
I just think people pay too much for their Tanks.

My 400k Soma survived 3-4 matches, so it is a good fit.

If my 1 mil Madrugar Survived 3-4 matches, then it sucks.

Its all about Cost v. Effectiveness.

Higher Cost tanks don't yield enough effectiveness to make using them in pubs worthwhile.

Fitting skill/s are also very important. Just because you CAN fit that extra 60mm plate, doesn't mean its worth jack all.

Looks like it all is good. Just need to wait for 1.7

tldr (Due to Scatterbrainedness.) Higher Cost tanks don't give enough bang for the buck. In majority, Tanks are balanced, however due to either Dummies bringing their 1 mil tanks out, and finding out that ISK doesn't make the man. High Cost needed a better reward, but was instead just made into a complete vehicle overhaul. People who lacked skill at making good fits that didn't break the bank we're catered too. Looks like an OK outcome however

Cost is a poor mechanic to determine in battle balance

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Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1576	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:33:00 - [1] - Quote Do they mean tankS are ballanced? As in plural? More accurately, as in all tanks? I see posts made talking about how many forge guns it took to destroy that "Tank" and how it escaped someone to recover in the redline and come back. Meanwhile im like bullshit, like hell he beat 2 proto forge gunners!!! Not possible!! But i never see anyone say what kind of tanks they are. People say "your tankS are balanced..." But are they ONLY talking about armor tanks because shield tanks are SO bad that nobody runs them? If so, no. TankS are not balanced
Void Echo Blades of Dust 1955	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:34:00 - [2] - Quote I think they are trying to say... seasoned vet tank pilots are balanced..
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1576	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:36:00 - [3] - Quote Void Echo wrote: I think they are trying to say... seasoned vet tank pilots are balanced.. But even a seasoned sheild tanker kind of gets... raped. Armor tanks are a different story because their reps are broken
8213 Grade No.2 508	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:37:00 - [4] - Quote Shield Tanks are good... just not against other Armor Tanks, lol. I would have spec'd into a shield tank, but for some reason (probably to use something free the game gave me as a "gift") I went with Gallente. I would have gone Caldari had I not had the first tier bought in Gallente Vehcle Command already, because I was to cheap to come up with SP.
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1579	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:41:00 - [5] - Quote 8213 wrote: Shield Tanks are good... just not against other Armor Tanks, lol. I would have spec'd into a shield tank, but for some reason (probably to use something free the game gave me as a "gift") I went with Gallente. I would have gone Caldari had I not had the first tier bought in Gallente Vehcle Command already, because I was to cheap to come up with SP. But current armor tanks can take soooo much more punishment than shield tanks and escape at twice the speed if it has a fuel injector as its high slot. You cant really hit and run with a shield tank when your the slowest and one forge round cripples you. They do more in one shot than the best shield rep reps in 15 seconds. But an armor tank reps damage equal to 3 forge gun rounds in 15 seconds. The shield tank is as "balanced" as an armor tank is to litterally anything
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1163	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:43:00 - [6] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Do they mean tankS are ballanced? As in plural? More accurately, as in all tanks? I see posts made talking about how many forge guns it took to destroy that "Tank" and how it escaped someone to recover in the redline and come back. Meanwhile im like bullshit, like hell he beat 2 proto forge gunners!!! Not possible!! But i never see anyone say what kind of tanks they are. People say "your tankS are balanced..." But are they ONLY talking about armor tanks because shield tanks are SO bad that nobody runs them? If so, no. TankS are not balanced Because anyone who uses an AR thinks this is how it should be AR Medium frame "Assault" > Logi > Heavy > Scout > Vehicle
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 890	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:45:00 - [7] - Quote I run Shield tanks. Shield tanks are absolute crap. I still run Shield tanks. I am stupid. I'm not THAT stupid to respec into Shield tanks whenever I get my vehicle respec.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1163	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:46:00 - [8] - Quote 8213 wrote: Shield Tanks are good... just not against anything but swarms, lol. Fixed it
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 243	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:49:00 - [9] - Quote there are VERY few tanks i see that dont get destroyed in the battle. if you kill me with a tank, i'll kill you with my wiyrkomi swarms. but somehow i dont think thats right, that i can solo ANY tank in my 70k isk suit.
Keri Starlight Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 890	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:49:00 - [10] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: 8213 wrote: Shield Tanks are good... just not against anything but swarms, lol. Fixed it LOOOL so true...

TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR The Kaos Legion 243	Posted - 2013.10.25 23:50:00 - [11] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Do they mean tankS are ballanced? As in plural? More accurately, as in all tanks? I see posts made talking about how many forge guns it took to destroy that "Tank" and how it escaped someone to recover in the redline and come back. Meanwhile im like bullshit, like hell he beat 2 proto forge gunners!!! Not possible!! But i never see anyone say what kind of tanks they are. People say "your tankS are balanced..." But are they ONLY talking about armor tanks because shield tanks are SO bad that nobody runs them? If so, no. TankS are not balanced Because anyone who uses an AR thinks this is how it should be AR Medium frame "Assault" > Logi > Heavy > Scout > Vehicle this ^
Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1292	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:01:00 - [12] - Quote Myself, My tank lasted long enough to earn me some money. I just think people pay too much for their Tanks. My 400k Soma survived 3-4 matches, so it is a good fit. If my 1 mil Madrugar Survived 3-4 matches, then it sucks. Its all about Cost v. Effectiveness. Higher Cost tanks don't yield enough effectiveness to make using them in pubs worthwhile. Fitting skill/s are also very important. Just because you CAN fit that extra 60mm plate, doesn't mean its worth jack all. Looks like it all is good. Just need to wait for 1.7 tldr (Due to Scatterbrainedness.) Higher Cost tanks don't give enough bang for the buck. In majority, Tanks are balanced, however due to either Dummies bringing their 1 mil tanks out, and finding out that ISK doesn't make the man. High Cost needed a better reward, but was instead just made into a complete vehicle overhaul. People who lacked skill at making good fits that didn't break the bank we're catered too. Looks like an OK outcome however
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1579	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:03:00 - [13] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I run Shield tanks. Shield tanks are absolute crap. I still run Shield tanks. I am stupid. I'm not THAT stupid to respec into Shield tanks whenever I get my vehicle respec. lolol same here. I have 16 mill SP into shield tanks and im pretty stupid. But i wised up and dont play anymore because id rather support obama care than play as a useless asset. But yeah when i look at threads attacking the validity of tanker claims their like "TankS are balanced, that tank escaped me the entire game and survived two clips of my proto forge, even escaped into the redline to come back out." And im like lolwut? no he didennt? Theres no way he did that, vids so i can figuire out what the hell hes doing. And then it occurs to me. Their not talking about "tankS" -underlines the capital S- they are talking about armor tanks. The only tanks that are "balanced". If i get a respec im going to upgrade to shield dropships so i can least kill someone when i blow up
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1579	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:04:00 - [14] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Myself, My tank lasted long enough to earn me some money. I just think people pay too much for their Tanks. My 400k Soma survived 3-4 matches, so it is a good fit. If my 1 mil Madrugar Survived 3-4 matches, then it sucks. Its all about Cost v. Effectiveness. Higher Cost tanks don't yield enough effectiveness to make using them in pubs worthwhile. Fitting skill/s are also very important. Just because you CAN fit that extra 60mm plate, doesn't mean its worth jack all. Looks like it all is good. Just need to wait for 1.7 tldr (Due to Scatterbrainedness.) Higher Cost tanks don't give enough bang for the buck. In majority, Tanks are balanced, however due to either Dummies bringing their 1 mil tanks out, and finding out that ISK doesn't make the man. High Cost needed a better reward, but was instead just made into a complete vehicle overhaul. People who lacked skill at making good fits that didn't break the bank we're catered too. Looks like an OK outcome however Cost is a poor mechanic to determine in battle balance
Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1292	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:35:00 - [15] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Myself, My tank lasted long enough to earn me some money. I just think people pay too much for their Tanks. My 400k Soma survived 3-4 matches, so it is a good fit. If my 1 mil Madrugar Survived 3-4 matches, then it sucks. Its all about Cost v. Effectiveness. Higher Cost tanks don't yield enough effectiveness to make using them in pubs worthwhile. Fitting skill/s are also very important. Just because you CAN fit that extra 60mm plate, doesn't mean its worth jack all. Looks like it all is good. Just need to wait for 1.7 tldr (Due to Scatterbrainedness.) Higher Cost tanks don't give enough bang for the buck. In majority, Tanks are balanced, however due to either Dummies bringing their 1 mil tanks out, and finding out that ISK doesn't make the man. High Cost needed a better reward, but was instead just made into a complete vehicle overhaul. People who lacked skill at making good fits that didn't break the bank we're catered too. Looks like an OK outcome however Cost is a poor mechanic to determine in battle balance But it's important. It's the reason why solo players can't field proto. It's the reason why tanks are rare in pubs. It is a huge factor in usability In truth, tanks in DUST are some of the toughest I've played with, but due to high cost, they aren't quite worth it. Tanks can last 2-4 matches, but cost a million ISK, and assuming each match pays out 200 I means you will lose money. If that million ISK tank lasts 5-6 matches, you still making money, and therefore you really aren't losing money. Tanks aren't UP in themselves, but due to the consequences of dying, solo players have it tough. I can't comment on PC, but from my experience, tanks work pretty well in pubs if you don't pull the most expensive stuff you can get out, if you drive smart, and if you can make decent fits. But again, this is my opinion from pub matches with a cheaper fit
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1166	Posted - 2013.10.26 00:36:00 - [16] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Myself, My tank lasted long enough to earn me some money. I just think people pay too much for their Tanks. My 400k Soma survived 3-4 matches, so it is a good fit. If my 1 mil Madrugar Survived 3-4 matches, then it sucks. Its all about Cost v. Effectiveness. Higher Cost tanks don't yield enough effectiveness to make using them in pubs worthwhile. Fitting skill/s are also very important. Just because you CAN fit that extra 60mm plate, doesn't mean its worth jack all. Looks like it all is good. Just need to wait for 1.7 tldr (Due to Scatterbrainedness.) Higher Cost tanks don't give enough bang for the buck. In majority, Tanks are balanced, however due to either Dummies bringing their 1 mil tanks out, and finding out that ISK doesn't make the man. High Cost needed a better reward, but was instead just made into a complete vehicle overhaul. People who lacked skill at making good fits that didn't break the bank we're catered too. Looks like an OK outcome however Cost is a poor mechanic to determine in battle balance Exactly, and every role should be profitable. If I decide I want to put all my SP into dropships and I fit them well you should be able to profit. Currently, you can't even with the standard vehicles we have now.
Exmaple Core Ancient Exiles 1581	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:03:00 - [17] - Quote still no one has answered my question. Pretty solid bias going on here. "All your tanks are balanced because the armor tank is balanced."
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 776	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:11:00 - [18] - Quote mine is a small corp, and all of us can field av properly. I've seen some tough tanks. but guys who bring their tanks into a firefight are idiots.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 268	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:18:00 - [19] - Quote I run a 800k ISK madrugar all games and I'm making profit each evening.
Baal Roo Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2708	Posted - 2013.10.27 23:37:00 - [20] - Quote Void Echo wrote: I think they are trying to say... seasoned vet tank pilots are balanced.. This is the answer. Really great tankers are relatively balanced against random red dot with some AV. Since occasionally a tank doesn't immediately explode when breathed on if a really great driver is operating the thing at the top level of skill, then everyone else just needs to "get gud" and otherwise the balance is fine. Nevermind the fact that AV is the easiest thing to do in the entire game, and a decent player can shut down an entire opposing team's vehicle presence by themselves.

IMMORTAL WAR HERO BAD SANTA'S SCHOOL 4 SCOUNDRELS 55	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:03:00 - [21] - Quote tanks r balanced it could have 1000 sheild it would still be balanced asa userof all vehiclesin game minus vayu it the blaster that matters tankingis a matter of shooting av guys who hunt you and kill them 1st i garuntee after killing them with aneutron blaster they will comeback so you shootthem again......lol ilike sheild tanks...... they rbetter dont need sheild extenders just resistaceand youcan take like 10 15swarms before usingbooster to bring you to fullheath
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 876	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:03:00 - [22] - Quote Tank balance is a difficult subject, they will never be truly balanced because there will always be people who a) want rid of tanks b) want tanks to be unstoppable behemoths of death In the case of this game, people like me believe that a tank without so be no less fragile than a lone wolfer! Or to put it simply 1man == 1 tank
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 941	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:04:00 - [23] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Void Echo wrote: I think they are trying to say... seasoned vet tank pilots are balanced.. But even a seasoned sheild tanker kind of gets... raped. Armor tanks are a different story because their reps are broken My corp mate rarely gets raped....
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 941	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:06:00 - [24] - Quote IMMORTAL WAR HERO wrote: tanks r balanced it could have 1000 sheild it would still be balanced asa userof all vehiclesin game minus vayu it the blaster that matters tankingis a matter of shooting av guys who hunt you and kill them 1st i garuntee after killing them with aneutron blaster they will comeback so you shootthem again......lol ilike sheild tanks...... they rbetter dont need sheild extenders just resistaceand youcan take like 10 15swarms before usingbooster to bring you to fullheath wtf? Work on your grammar, spelling, and punctuation so people will take you seriously.....assuming they can read what you wrote
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 60	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:13:00 - [25] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Void Echo wrote: I think they are trying to say... seasoned vet tank pilots are balanced.. But even a seasoned sheild tanker kind of gets... raped. Armor tanks are a different story because their reps are broken armour reps take a good 5 secs to actually start reparing us.... sheild boosters are instant regen upon activation since the thech is derived from eve. armour tanking is on a 1:1 ratio with power core. slow cycleing and start up allows suffeceitn cap regeraton and decent cap use. shield tanking is on a 2;1 ratio. quick cycleing lots of pwr use out does the cap regen so it depeletes power quicker.. shield boosters in dust just arent strong enough need an extra 50 sheild hp boost added. armoru reps should be left alone but should activate about 3-4 secends after you turn it on.its too long given how much damage those swarms and FCKN LAIDAI PCK NADES DO.
Benjamin Ciscko S.e.V.e.N. 164	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:18:00 - [26] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: still no one has answered my question. Pretty solid bias going on here. "All your tanks are balanced because the armor tank is balanced." Shield tanks are so rare those AV noobs probably don't know the exist.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1320	Posted - 2013.10.28 00:21:00 - [27] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Void Echo wrote: I think they are trying to say... seasoned vet tank pilots are balanced.. But even a seasoned sheild tanker kind of gets... raped. Armor tanks are a different story because their reps are broken True. I almost never pull gunlogis except for fire support in PC. So seasoned tankers in madrugars are balanced. Hahaha.


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