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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.25 20:55:00 -
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Scout suit's profile signature is 45 dB. This is the same as the light frame, but that's besides the point.
Standard scanner precision is 46 dB
Advanced scanner precision is 36 dB
Proto scanner precision* is 28 dB
*Duvolle Focused precision is 15 dB
Values of complex profile dampeners taking into account stacking penalty:
1st: 25% reduction, 75% of the value
2nd: 21.75% reduction, 78.25% of the value
3rd: 14.25% reduction, 85.75% of the value
4th: 7% reduction, 93% of the value
So a scout with max skills (25% reduction from Scout and 10% from dampening) would be
45 dB * 0.75 * 0.90 = 30.375 dB
This is now enough to avoid advanced scanner, makes sense that your passive skills actually ups you a tier in evasion
Add 1st complex dampener,
30.375 dB * 0.75 = 22.78125 dB
This is now enough to avoid proto scanners*, makes sense that adding a proto module actually ups you a tier in evasion
Add 2nd complex dampener,
22.78125 dB * 0.7825 = 17.826328125 dB
You gained nothing with this, makes no sense to for a second proto module to add no benefit
Add 3rd complex dampener,
17.826328125 dB * 0.8575 = 15.2860763671825 dB
You still gained nothing, really makes no sense that adding 2 more proto module to have no benefit
Add 4th complex dampener,
15.2860763671825 dB * 0.93 = 14.216....... dB
After adding 3 additional proto modules, you are finally able to avoid the Duvolle Focused
Now what's really funny about this is the Duvolle Focus actually has LESS fitting requirements than all the other prototype active scanners, the only think extra is a slight ISK premium. So really, if scouts ever actually became viable, then why would anyone using proto scanners not use the Duvolle focused? Yeah the other proto modules do some cool things, but with the Focus you'd all but guarantee that everyone is scanned. Heck, Minmatar scouts don't even have enough low slots to counter this!
What CCP should really look at is a way to tweak the numbers of scanners and scout suit profile (just the scout, not the light) such that everything remains the same for all suits except a scout will be able to evade the Duvolle Focused with max skills and 2 complex dampeners.
I'm trying to think of the exact numbers to get this to work, but it's a bit tricky trying to get it so scout with max skills and nothing else still only avoids advanced, one complex dampener added to that still only avoids the regular protos, and only after adding 2 complex dampeners can it avoid the Duvolle focused. At the same time, you want it so non-scout lights cannot dodge the Duvolle Focused and mediums avoid standard with max skills (as it is now), advanced with one complex dampner (as it is now), normal protos with 2 complex dampeners (as it is now), and impossible for a medium to evade the Duvolle focused.
The scout is the stealth class, let it be reasonably able to avoid all active scanners. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3279
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:12:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:It's my understanding that if there is no penalty mentioned in the description then there are no stacking penalties period. Unless of course you have done extensive research on this during the recent 1.4 patch.
There are quite a few module types that don't say anything about stacking penalty, but they do, in fact, have a stacking penalty. As stated, everything that works off a percentage has a stacking penalty. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3279
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Posted - 2013.10.26 16:56:00 -
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I agree mostly, but the other doesn't "have to be" a CPU upgrade. You could instead choose to sacrifice in other areas.
For instance, on my scout fits I run the lowest tier weapons because I don't intend to engage the enemy much anyways. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3282
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:25:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:If we are ever going to get cloaks, then I do believe there should be one scanner that should guarantee a break on them, though I do believe the fitting cots should be higher
Fair enough, but we do not have cloaks now, yet there is still a scanner that seems to serve as their counter. |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3282
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Posted - 2013.10.26 20:45:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:you did the stacking wrong.
I used the following numbers,
1st mod: 100.0% effectiveness
2nd mod: 86.9% effectiveness
3rd mod: 57.1% effectiveness
4th mod: 28.3% effectiveness
Pretty sure that is correct. Though I see a way I worded that weirdly and will edit. |
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