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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1577	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:42:00 - [1] - Quote What do you think about the current flaylock? Op? Up? Just right? Thoughts below. Just trying to get a thread up that's not QQ based.
Jacques Cayton II Eternal Beings 50	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:14:00 - [2] - Quote Up its not where it needs to be
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1145	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:16:00 - [3] - Quote didn't i see this thread like a week ago... and yes it still sucks but is cost effecient
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 508	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:17:00 - [4] - Quote It's where it needs to be. A sidearm.
Cosgar ParagonX 6475	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:20:00 - [5] - Quote Nerf went the wrong direction IMO. Should've kept the damage, but lowered the RoF and significantly raised the CPU.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1146	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:20:00 - [6] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: It's where it needs to be. A sidearm. sigh....how do people talk like this. I mean the reason logi's are run are because people make side arms useless( at least one of the reasons ), and aside from that SMG's are better then most AR's in a lot of situations.
Cosgar ParagonX 6475	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:28:00 - [7] - Quote calisk galern wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: It's where it needs to be. A sidearm. sigh....how do people talk like this. I mean the reason logi's are run are because people make side arms useless( at least one of the reasons ), and aside from that SMG's are better then most AR's in a lot of situations. Still hearing the logi = sidearm drama. I'll have my SMG proficiency up to 5 by next month.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn 173	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:28:00 - [8] - Quote UP, only the proto flaylock is worth running,and even it requires a bit of skil to use right. I do run one ocasionaly because its easy to fit. I personaly think it needs a buff somewhere and just reduce clip size or nerf RoF to make up for it.
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 361	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:30:00 - [9] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: It's where it needs to be. A sidearm. That defense would make sense if there wasn't the ishukone SMG and scrambler pistols.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2747	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:31:00 - [10] - Quote Almost Right. Splash -> Perfect (Includes radius and damage) Ammo -> Perfect RoF -> Perfect Direct -> Nope Needs more direct.

Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 656	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:31:00 - [11] - Quote UP just by a little bit, but it's not that big of a deal to me i can live with it.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1272	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:36:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Nerf went the wrong direction IMO. Should've kept the damage, but lowered the RoF and significantly raised the CPU. I think they should have only lowered the radius by half of what they did also. Also the CPU is pretty high when compared to the SMG. A STD flaylock has 21 CPU and zero PG requiremen, while the STD SMG has 15/5
jlpgaming2752 the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:36:00 - [13] - Quote The Core Flaylock should be a sidearm, but not the sidearm it is now. It should be the cheapest weapon to fit on any suit, even at prototype level. Also just a slight increase to it's blast radius would make it worth using over the SMG.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 508	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:41:00 - [14] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: That defense would make sense if there wasn't the ishukone SMG and scrambler pistols. Isn't Ishukone a prototype weapon? Plus one that requires prof. to at least 1. Hmmm... Scrambler Pistol has been good for a while. People just never gave it a solid chance. Personally, I run with the Assault Scrambler Pistol. Pewpewpew. If they aren't dead in seven shots, I'm ******. (I say this because I have a habit of dual wielding em.) I don't use the SMGs. They feel a little... off. Like mini-ARs. Which is weird to even say.
8213 Grade No.2 502	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:05:00 - [15] - Quote This is subjective. If you go by the principle, that a secondary should never out do a primary 99x out of 100, then you can say its OP. If you go by the fact that if its any weaker, then its not worth using in Fitting, then you can say its UP. I can't remember the last time I was killed by a Flaylock, even after being shot by a primary and the opponent made the switch to the secondary. Things like secondaries are always touchy, because how strong should a secondary be?
Cosgar ParagonX 6475	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:10:00 - [16] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Cosgar wrote: Nerf went the wrong direction IMO. Should've kept the damage, but lowered the RoF and significantly raised the CPU. I think they should have only lowered the radius by half of what they did also. Also the CPU is pretty high when compared to the SMG. A STD flaylock has 21 CPU and zero PG requiremen, while the STD SMG has 15/5 Biggest problems with any alpha damage weapon that leads it to being OP is it's usually easy to fit, easy to spam, and has plenty of ammo. Want to know why the MD isn't OP? It's harder to fit than an AR, limited ammo, and fires one grenade a second.
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 658	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:11:00 - [17] - Quote I have Proto flaylock and the sole reason for this is the no-low PG requirements, i am a fan of sidearms because after killing two people and my scram rifle is at the brink of overheat is nice to pull out a sidearm and finish of the third red dot. but the flaylock ether just does not fit my play style or it is just not good. Because i would pick a Adv scram pistol over a proto flaylock any day. The only reason i spec'd into flaylocks is to fit them on my suits that are tight on PG. Again Flaylock are okay and i can deal with them but i don't think they are near the level of other Sidearms.
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 364	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:14:00 - [18] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Duran Lex wrote: That defense would make sense if there wasn't the ishukone SMG and scrambler pistols. Isn't Ishukone a prototype weapon? Plus one that requires prof. to at least 1. Hmmm... Scrambler Pistol has been good for a while. People just never gave it a solid chance. Personally, I run with the Assault Scrambler Pistol. Pewpewpew. If they aren't dead in seven shots, I'm ****. (I say this because I have a habit of dual wielding em.) I don't use the SMGs. They feel a little... off. Like mini-ARs. Which is weird to even say. Yes, the ishukone is a proto SMG, and ridicuiously high in damage. It has better dispersion and DPS then the HMG currently. I know scramblers have been good. They are ****** good. Which is why i thinkt the argument of the Flaylock being so UP because its a "sidearm", when there are two sidearms that are arguably stronger then other light weapons, or in the case of the SMG, stronger then a Heavy weapon. Did the flaylock need a nerf? Yes. Did it needed to get nerfed so far into the ground that even the mole men threw it away as garbage? No.
Tectonic Fusion the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 422	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:16:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cosgar wrote: Nerf went the wrong direction IMO. Should've kept the damage, but lowered the RoF and significantly raised the CPU. I think they should have only lowered the radius by half of what they did also. Also the CPU is pretty high when compared to the SMG. A STD flaylock has 21 CPU and zero PG requiremen, while the STD SMG has 15/5 Biggest problems with any alpha damage weapon that leads it to being OP is it's usually easy to fit, easy to spam, and has plenty of ammo. Want to know why the MD isn't OP? It's harder to fit than an AR, limited ammo, and fires one grenade a second. Haha
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 967	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:20:00 - [20] - Quote Cosgar wrote: calisk galern wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: It's where it needs to be. A sidearm. sigh....how do people talk like this. I mean the reason logi's are run are because people make side arms useless( at least one of the reasons ), and aside from that SMG's are better then most AR's in a lot of situations. Still hearing the logi = sidearm drama. I'll have my SMG proficiency up to 5 by next month. I'm tell ya bro if they take my sg from my logi it ll be the worst thing they ever did! Armor tanked logi , 4 damage mods an proficiency 5 ish smg! Bring the pain!

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1272	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:20:00 - [21] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Cosgar wrote: Nerf went the wrong direction IMO. Should've kept the damage, but lowered the RoF and significantly raised the CPU. I think they should have only lowered the radius by half of what they did also. Also the CPU is pretty high when compared to the SMG. A STD flaylock has 21 CPU and zero PG requiremen, while the STD SMG has 15/5 Biggest problems with any alpha damage weapon that leads it to being OP is it's usually easy to fit, easy to spam, and has plenty of ammo. Want to know why the MD isn't OP? It's harder to fit than an AR, limited ammo, and fires one grenade a second. It's just simply not as reliable as a smg or scrambler pistol. The dmg is too low and the radius, even when maxed out, is too small. It needed a nerf, no question, just not as much as it got. Just to be clear, I did not use it pre nerf. I specced I to it recently for the same Viktor. It fits my PG heavy suits quite well.
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 341	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:23:00 - [22] - Quote cpu/pg consumption of the weapon is dirt cheap, so maybe instead of direct effectiveness its meant to be something you can fit onto anything. In regards to performance, it under performs when compared to the other sidearms but it is a lot cheaper too. If there are any plans to buff it, it would also entail a raise in cpu/pg
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 163	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:35:00 - [23] - Quote 8213 wrote: This is subjective. If you go by the principle, that a secondary should never out do a primary 99x out of 100, then you can say its OP. If you go by the fact that if its any weaker, then its not worth using in Fitting, then you can say its UP. I can't remember the last time I was killed by a Flaylock, even after being shot by a primary and the opponent made the switch to the secondary. Things like secondaries are always touchy, because how strong should a secondary be? Compare the current SMG to the new minnie rifle, and you will have an answer. Personally i believe tey should have similar dpS to their light counterpart, but severely limited by clip capacity amd range. The flaylock however, doesn't have a rifle counterpart. So by your apparent 'no sidearm can be better than the light' viewpoint, then what would happen if we had a flayrifle? Bump direct damage to prenerf, they should own anybody if the person shooting can land all 3(4 on lv4 minnie assault) Because let's admit it, nobody that isn't the incarnation of god will land direct hits withthat thing.
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1545	Posted - 2013.10.25 18:43:00 - [24] - Quote Yeaaah the flaylock got over nerfed. I try to make it work on my side arm fits but it doesn't keep up with scrambler pistols or smgs.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 967	Posted - 2013.10.25 19:13:00 - [25] - Quote Wasted points UNLESS......... Proto min assault Adv flux Two cores Two com dam mods 3xshields Speed mods Scanner/ nano hive
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 434	Posted - 2013.10.25 19:18:00 - [26] - Quote i think it should have just been nerfed to where it cant be fitted in the light or heavy weapon slot. so it cant be dual wielded. that was the op part of it as i saw it. i dont think its up though. its just impossible to easily reach the extremely high kd/rs that ppl were getting with it before the nerf. it should be considered your back up weapon and not a primary.
OZAROW WarRavens League of Infamy 968	Posted - 2013.10.25 19:22:00 - [27] - Quote I used it as a scout an wish I had the points back. I have a sg, Fay, nk, an smg. The smg is now the only 100% reliable weapon I have, unles you rok damage mods on the fay you can barely even use it to finish a guy, you have better luck with a m1
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 820	Posted - 2013.10.25 19:36:00 - [28] - Quote I shoot people feet but nothing happens, it has been useful for a couple of week after the nerf, then...............
Viscen Minora OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 0	Posted - 2013.10.25 19:45:00 - [29] - Quote I have found that since the nerf, my flaylock pistol is still powerful, but only in how easy it is to fit. It in no way can compare to how close the SMG and SCP can get to competing with light weapons, but if you need something with little fitting and some punch, it serves at least that role still.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 87	Posted - 2013.10.25 19:49:00 - [30] - Quote Direct damage and projectile speed need to be slightly boosted IMO Also I want a Heavy Flaylock Rifle, but that's just a pipe dream.



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