DUST Search - Tankers will rise once again

Spkr4theDead wrote:

Skihids wrote:

CCP is redefining the role of vehicles away from constant menace to periodic battering rams.

The current role of constant semi-vulnerability but fast repairing has both sides frustrated. AV has a huge reach so vehicles constantly need a decent strength, but that typically isn't enough to sit and slug it out in any encounter.

In the rebalance vehicles will have a low passive survivability combined with a short period of active strength.

Having the two separate modes will allow CCP set two different levels of survivability. They can be vulnerable the majority of the time, having to either hide or be protected by other vehicles or infantry, but periodically be capable of going into domination mode where they can roll in and spearhead the taking of an objective.

That should make them much more interesting without giving us the return of Chromosome tanks.

I miss my Chromosome-era Madrugar. Sad

Best blaster or rail, heavy efficient repper, 180mm poly, and 3 carapace hardeners.

Was also able to put 2 heavy shield transporters in the highs with few problems.

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daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 261	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:30:00 - [1] - Quote With the new AV changes madrugars will dominate again. 175m Lock On Range and big reduced damage. Strike. Sorry to my fellow shield tankers, that the forge isn't touched.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 507	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:34:00 - [2] - Quote Nope.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 751	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:36:00 - [3] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: With the new AV changes madrugars will dominate again. 175m Lock On Range and big reduced damage. Strike. Sorry to my fellow shield tankers, that the forge isn't touched. maybe after the good players decide to get tanks because they're bored with suits. not because the current tank-crop has a chance.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 261	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:41:00 - [4] - Quote 175 m translates to no more invisible swarms (maybe, mostly) and this damage reduce .. amazing
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 163	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:43:00 - [5] - Quote Madrugars get a 100 hp/sec repair per module correct? 1 missile landing would out DPS its reps, and you have 5 of them... just saying. A shield tank gets 1k regen from it's booster, along woth 100+ native regen correct?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1512	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:48:00 - [6] - Quote FG is getting looked at
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2347	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:51:00 - [7] - Quote All vehicles will have fragile cool-down periods and limited ammo, so there will be no long duration domination. You will have short burst mode domination time, but that will have to be managed carefully. If CCP gets it right both sides will be equally unhappy, but challenged.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 804	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:54:00 - [8] - Quote No. End of discussion
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 361	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:55:00 - [9] - Quote Negative. Many tankers will cry after all these releases because they still won't have their god machine trolling the battlefield unhindered. Tanks are being tweaked, AV is being tweaked with them. Balance will attempt to be achieved (or so one can hope) between people just starting MLT tanks, to vets with properly fitted ones. Hopefully it wont take 6 months of capping SP to properly defend against AV, as well as hopefully it's still a game of rock/paper/scissors, and a lone AVer can take out a tank that makes a mistake on their cooldowns or gets too cocky without an escape plan. I see it as a day of reckoning for both styles of play. Edit - lol at me typing "tweeked"
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 261	Posted - 2013.10.25 16:59:00 - [10] - Quote Okay, maybe you guys didn't get it. I think this will be good, if madrugars stay the same, they are now.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2347	Posted - 2013.10.25 17:12:00 - [11] - Quote CCP is redefining the role of vehicles away from constant menace to periodic battering rams. The current role of constant semi-vulnerability but fast repairing has both sides frustrated. AV has a huge reach so vehicles constantly need a decent strength, but that typically isn't enough to sit and slug it out in any encounter. In the rebalance vehicles will have a low passive survivability combined with a short period of active strength. Having the two separate modes will allow CCP set two different levels of survivability. They can be vulnerable the majority of the time, having to either hide or be protected by other vehicles or infantry, but periodically be capable of going into domination mode where they can roll in and spearhead the taking of an objective. That should make them much more interesting without giving us the return of Chromosome tanks.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1116	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:47:00 - [12] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: With the new AV changes madrugars will dominate again. 175m Lock On Range and big reduced damage. Strike. Sorry to my fellow shield tankers, that the forge isn't touched. Says a redline rail sniper.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1116	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:48:00 - [13] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP is redefining the role of vehicles away from constant menace to periodic battering rams. The current role of constant semi-vulnerability but fast repairing has both sides frustrated. AV has a huge reach so vehicles constantly need a decent strength, but that typically isn't enough to sit and slug it out in any encounter. In the rebalance vehicles will have a low passive survivability combined with a short period of active strength. Having the two separate modes will allow CCP set two different levels of survivability. They can be vulnerable the majority of the time, having to either hide or be protected by other vehicles or infantry, but periodically be capable of going into domination mode where they can roll in and spearhead the taking of an objective. That should make them much more interesting without giving us the return of Chromosome tanks. I miss my Chromosome-era Madrugar. Best blaster or rail, heavy efficient repper, 180mm poly, and 3 carapace hardeners. Was also able to put 2 heavy shield transporters in the highs with few problems.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4329	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:49:00 - [14] - Quote Gonna play devil's advocate for a bit here with two points: 1. The armor rep bug is getting fixed with the vehicle rework 2. We have yet to see what CCP is doing to the forge gun
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 344	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:50:00 - [15] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP is redefining the role of vehicles away from constant menace to periodic battering rams. The current role of constant semi-vulnerability but fast repairing has both sides frustrated. AV has a huge reach so vehicles constantly need a decent strength, but that typically isn't enough to sit and slug it out in any encounter. In the rebalance vehicles will have a low passive survivability combined with a short period of active strength. Having the two separate modes will allow CCP set two different levels of survivability. They can be vulnerable the majority of the time, having to either hide or be protected by other vehicles or infantry, but periodically be capable of going into domination mode where they can roll in and spearhead the taking of an objective. That should make them much more interesting without giving us the return of Chromosome tanks. That is actually a pretty dam good analogy
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9699	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:52:00 - [16] - Quote Skihids wrote: CCP is redefining the role of vehicles away from constant menace to periodic battering rams. The current role of constant semi-vulnerability but fast repairing has both sides frustrated. AV has a huge reach so vehicles constantly need a decent strength, but that typically isn't enough to sit and slug it out in any encounter. In the rebalance vehicles will have a low passive survivability combined with a short period of active strength. Having the two separate modes will allow CCP set two different levels of survivability. They can be vulnerable the majority of the time, having to either hide or be protected by other vehicles or infantry, but periodically be capable of going into domination mode where they can roll in and spearhead the taking of an objective. That should make them much more interesting without giving us the return of Chromosome tanks. ^This^ *<9000
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9699	Posted - 2013.10.26 07:53:00 - [17] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Gonna play devil's advocate for a bit here with two points: 1. The armor rep bug is getting fixed with the vehicle rework 2. We have yet to see what CCP is doing to the forge gun Armor rep bug won't even exist, armor rappers are passive in the change.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 333	Posted - 2013.10.26 08:09:00 - [18] - Quote Honestly from what I have been reading and calculating (son of a math teacher) the tanks will be weaker overall but much stronger when all their cooldowns are up. This will lead to teamwork in tanks one taking point and dealing as much damage as it can before falling back and letting a second take over. Would be very advantageous to have a LLAV on standby to help the tank baking up stay alive. Teams of 3 vs teams of 3. Sounds about balanced to me (you will need around a team of 3 to 4 av to really put a dent into this kind of strat for tanks)
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 606	Posted - 2013.10.26 08:20:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Gonna play devil's advocate for a bit here with two points: 1. The armor rep bug is getting fixed with the vehicle rework 2. We have yet to see what CCP is doing to the forge gun Armor rep bug won't even exist, armor rappers are passive in the change. Thank god! I'm so sick of these rappers running around rapping about armor all day.
Void Echo Blades of Dust 1960	Posted - 2013.10.26 08:34:00 - [20] - Quote whats more likely to happen... tanks get screwed over for the last time, almost all the pilots leave the game or respec out of tanks and vehicles all together, thus ending the time dust 514 is dust 514 and introducing call of duty 514.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1211	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:00:00 - [21] - Quote Void Echo wrote: whats more likely to happen... tanks get screwed over for the last time, almost all the pilots leave the game or respec out of tanks and vehicles all together, thus ending the time dust 514 is dust 514 and introducing call of duty 514. nah never give up never surrender, nerf after nerf and im still here, the new changes to vehicles and av balance is a step in the right direction we can only hope ccp keeps walking that way.
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1211	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:03:00 - [22] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Skihids wrote: CCP is redefining the role of vehicles away from constant menace to periodic battering rams. The current role of constant semi-vulnerability but fast repairing has both sides frustrated. AV has a huge reach so vehicles constantly need a decent strength, but that typically isn't enough to sit and slug it out in any encounter. In the rebalance vehicles will have a low passive survivability combined with a short period of active strength. Having the two separate modes will allow CCP set two different levels of survivability. They can be vulnerable the majority of the time, having to either hide or be protected by other vehicles or infantry, but periodically be capable of going into domination mode where they can roll in and spearhead the taking of an objective. That should make them much more interesting without giving us the return of Chromosome tanks. I miss my Chromosome-era Madrugar. Best blaster or rail, heavy efficient repper, 180mm poly, and 3 carapace hardeners. Was also able to put 2 heavy shield transporters in the highs with few problems. my chrome era gunlogi or sagi would 2 shot your maddy,
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 87	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:10:00 - [23] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: With the new AV changes madrugars will dominate again. 175m Lock On Range and big reduced damage. Strike. Sorry to my fellow shield tankers, that the forge isn't touched. youll be losing your active reps though lol. you get a nice slow armor repair like heavy suits do, and all the other lack of benefits that implies. sure swarms wont be shoulder mounted ICBMs anymore but youll be spending alot more down time between fights running and hiding in the redline while you recover your armor
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 87	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:13:00 - [24] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: 175 m translates to no more invisible swarms (maybe, mostly) and this damage reduce .. amazing so... what? CCP completely failed to figure out the rending problem? sounds alot like what CCP did in eve with the targeting ranges. apprently long range targeting breaks stuff
DeathwindRising ROGUE SPADES EoN. 87	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:21:00 - [25] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Gonna play devil's advocate for a bit here with two points: 1. The armor rep bug is getting fixed with the vehicle rework 2. We have yet to see what CCP is doing to the forge gun the armor rep bug isnt being fixed, theyre putting in the infantry armor reps in vehicle form, meaning they rep constantly but slowly. so slowly that youll be nothing but an oversized heavy suit. ill put it this way... if you like heavy suits or gallente suits... you might like the armor tanks. if you like caldari suits, youll love the shield tanks.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1272	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:38:00 - [26] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Negative. Many tankers will cry after all these releases because they still won't have their god machine trolling the battlefield unhindered. Tanks are being tweaked, AV is being tweaked with them. Balance will attempt to be achieved (or so one can hope) between people just starting MLT tanks, to vets with properly fitted ones. Hopefully it wont take 6 months of capping SP to properly defend against AV, as well as hopefully it's still a game of rock/paper/scissors, and a lone AVer can take out a tank that makes a mistake on their cooldowns or gets too cocky without an escape plan. I see it as a day of reckoning for both styles of play. Edit - lol at me typing "tweeked" This seems cool. Wolfman missed the packed AV nades, and I want to see what he does with the forges, but otherwise, this is okay.
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1272	Posted - 2013.10.26 09:40:00 - [27] - Quote DeathwindRising wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: 175 m translates to no more invisible swarms (maybe, mostly) and this damage reduce .. amazing so... what? CCP completely failed to figure out the rending problem? sounds alot like what CCP did in eve with the targeting ranges. apprently long range targeting breaks stuff The problem is that you can't even see at the ******* optimal with a Rail dipshit.
Coleman Gray GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 863	Posted - 2013.10.26 10:07:00 - [28] - Quote Maybe the FG won't be touched and the heavy will be the "AV" class?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 823	Posted - 2013.10.26 10:22:00 - [29] - Quote After all those discussions about tanks and AV, i've found the solution: Tanks are OP AV is more OP than tanks CCP is nerfing both of them.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 263	Posted - 2013.10.26 10:53:00 - [30] - Quote shaman oga wrote: After all those discussions about tanks and AV, i've found the solution: Tanks are OP AV is more OP than tanks CCP is nerfing both of them. This sounds wise.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 59	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:04:00 - [31] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: With the new AV changes madrugars will dominate again. 175m Lock On Range and big reduced damage. Strike. Sorry to my fellow shield tankers, that the forge isn't touched. at 175m my vayu is still pumping out at least 60% of its toatl damage. and if a scatered ion cannopn pmps ot 156 per shot...... full turret skills for 15% bonus then gallente enforcer 3 for 9% damage plus range and 6% zoom. ummmmmmm. i can practiaclly kill them befor they can fire now! MORE ENFORCER HAVS TO BE DEPLOYED! AV TAKE A BACK SEAT CAUSE YOUR GOING TO BE WITHIN OR RANGE AND YOUR NADES WONT DO FCK TO US NOW!
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 263	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:14:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: With the new AV changes madrugars will dominate again. 175m Lock On Range and big reduced damage. Strike. Sorry to my fellow shield tankers, that the forge isn't touched. Says a redline rail sniper. You aren't even a tanker, stay out of tankers threads and especially my tanker threads O.o My God, those creeps like you are the worst.
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 289	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:15:00 - [33] - Quote Honestly, good tankers will continue to do well and crap tankers will continue to suck and cry on the forums.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2248	Posted - 2013.10.26 11:49:00 - [34] - Quote Void Echo wrote: whats more likely to happen... tanks get screwed over for the last time, almost all the pilots leave the game or respec out of tanks and vehicles all together, thus ending the time dust 514 is dust 514 and introducing call of duty 514. You guys are the ones getting screwed over when after these changes happen an unfitted milita tank will have enough EHP to absorb a full clip of proto fire and just drive away? Funny, real funny
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1127	Posted - 2013.10.26 15:22:00 - [35] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Gonna play devil's advocate for a bit here with two points: 1. The armor rep bug is getting fixed with the vehicle rework 2. We have yet to see what CCP is doing to the forge gun "Fixing" the rep bug to CCP means removing active repair modules in their entirety.
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 929	Posted - 2013.10.26 15:24:00 - [36] - Quote If any of us moronic tankers have half a braincell, IF we get a partial vehicle respec, put your SP somewhere else. This new cheap paper tank vision aint gunna be worth it.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 959	Posted - 2013.10.26 15:24:00 - [37] - Quote pegasis prime wrote: Void Echo wrote: whats more likely to happen... tanks get screwed over for the last time, almost all the pilots leave the game or respec out of tanks and vehicles all together, thus ending the time dust 514 is dust 514 and introducing call of duty 514. nah never give up never surrender, nerf after nerf and im still here, the new changes to vehicles and av balance is a step in the right direction we can only hope ccp keeps walking that way. I have wished I had lubed my a hole many times because of your tank lol
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1274	Posted - 2013.10.26 15:25:00 - [38] - Quote Coleman Gray wrote: Maybe the FG won't be touched and the heavy will be the "AV" class? Highly doubt it. They said they're not done reworking it. As for how much, we can say, around swarm strength, as they are pretty close in power now.
CharCharOdell Shining Flame Amarr Empire 1289	Posted - 2013.10.26 16:13:00 - [39] - Quote They haven't released forge changes yet. Calm down. Also, glass cannons builds are back and you can become invincible in our shield tank for X seconds. Madrugars can't do either of those.
Xender17 MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 853	Posted - 2013.10.26 16:20:00 - [40] - Quote CharCharOdell wrote: They haven't released forge changes yet. Calm down. Also, glass cannons builds are back and you can become invincible in our shield tank for X seconds. Madrugars can't do either of those. ? What you described is a active based tank... Which is what most madrugars go for.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3761	Posted - 2013.10.26 16:21:00 - [41] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: With the new AV changes madrugars will dominate again. 175m Lock On Range and big reduced damage. Strike. Sorry to my fellow shield tankers, that the forge isn't touched. So you obviously missed the part right above the numbers where Wolfman said they ARE redoing the Forge Gun as well?
Void Echo Blades of Dust 1964	Posted - 2013.10.26 19:14:00 - [42] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Void Echo wrote: whats more likely to happen... tanks get screwed over for the last time, almost all the pilots leave the game or respec out of tanks and vehicles all together, thus ending the time dust 514 is dust 514 and introducing call of duty 514. You guys are the ones getting screwed over when after these changes happen an unfitted milita tank will have enough EHP to absorb a full clip of proto fire and just drive away? Funny, real funny take a look at the numbers, the militia will be worse than it is now, the standard will be worse and the enforcers are finally being removed.... there are no buffs

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