Please look at the future balance objectively. Whilst AV is being reduced in effectiveness, HAVs are also becoming generally less durable.

Certainly, tanks are effective in their current form. Much of the QQ from both sides comes from people trying to solo them with militia swarms and people expecting them to be unkillable godmode. The high price of them naturally makes it frustrating to lose them - but they are remarkably good stomping tools for the well-organised.

Look, I can't sit here and say I've never solo-ed a tank.

Thing is, I used a proto or advanced swarm launch with complex dmg mods and ex-11 packed AV nades. Sometimes if I time it just right, I can do it in one life. Thing is I will die a few times, come back and usually get the tank if he hung around long enough or hit into a wall or something while backing up.

The AV nades were powerful, but unless I combined a swarms and AV I could never solo a tank.

Edit: Not to mention, my suits usually cost between 40-90 isk.

My best match in a tank was 26/1 and i only have 1Mil SP invested into vehicle skills. Maybe it is not the game that is killing the tanks it is players are not playing tanks properly...

Look, I can't sit here and say I've never solo-ed a tank.

Thing is, I used a proto or advanced swarm launch with complex dmg mods and ex-11 packed AV nades. Sometimes if I time it just right, I can do it in one life. Thing is I will die a few times, come back and usually get the tank if he hung around long enough or hit into a wall or something while backing up.

The AV nades were powerful, but unless I combined a swarms and AV I could never solo a tank.

Edit: Not to mention, my suits usually cost between 40-90 isk.

2 mill SP for a proto swarm, versus the 5 mill Sp my dedicated tanker has, and JUST NOW is it not dying to mlt swarms. That should say something to you lolswarmers and oFkForgers

call in a tank. its hard to operate. just make 1 tank and drive it around just to see how hard it is with the AV at you. that tanker was probably the best in the game. the only decent tankers are the ones with 10 mill sp into tanking skills. the apparent 4-5 guys swarming him were probably starter fit users.

try tanking. its a real challenge. and i hardly believe this even happened. you probably made this up as soon as you found out about the AV change. pics or it didnt happen.

So for 1 game a tank goes 35/0 and now its not UP

lolno

Go play a PC match against proto AV and not against scrubs and watch how they get whacked with ease

This pub match, you were using adv AV, what about the others? were they using basic/milita? were any of you working together? etc

Ive gone 30/0 with lolmissiles because of the enemy using milita AV and not working together

Nice one sided example you produced OP

the suit is versitile. you can use it for other things. the tank isnt. pro AV isnt even 1 mill SP to unlock. you could put a AR or HMG on that suit. we cant. the skills you invest in can branch out into other things where tanking requires you spend 10 mill sp into tanks so you dont get insta-popped by pro AV.

you dont need plates or your dropsuit skills or your core skills to be the best AVer in the game. all you need is a proto forge with a adv heavy suit with dam mods. easy to get.

bring us proof. i still dont believe you. it just doesnt seem possible

So if it's just player skill and there is no AV to Vehicle imbalance, why is CCP doing a massive AV to Vehicle rebalance?

i have. its what im skilled into for AV. i tank and use AV. i know what its like on both sides. im not a closed-minded fool who want extinction of everything that kills your playstyle.

So compelling, you clearly have faith in CCP.



Troll thread is troll thread

If you cant kill a basic tank with basic mods with multiple AV including adv AV and proto swarms then you are just straight bad because its never been easier

I'm not mad.

do you have a name to go with that claim? only a few tankers remain and even fewer could do that.

there are a few things that you need to realize with tanks before claiming that tanks don't need a buff. that was one match of 6-8 depending on payout. having a tank survive one round isn't impressive, or at least it shouldn't be. tanks don't work on the same timeline as infantry a surviving a match is not a victory it's a stepping stone, back when I was a full time tanker I'd name my tank(I only had 2 at a time) after it'd survived 10 matches because at that point it'd paid for itself and delivered a 20ish % profit.

the tanker in your story (yes story) had to have maxxed out skills, and you saying any tanker without maxxed out skills sucks at driving. do you have a maxxed out fit? even one? all the cores to 5, plus the gun, the armor, the shields, biotics, the reps, I'm forgetting something, but whatever... anyway point is expecting all tankers that hope to turn a profit to have maxxed skills is a little silly.

those 4-5 av guys musta sucked pretty hard core not to hit hit while his reps were cycleing...

You act as if "crying" has ever been the direct result of any form of nerf. Whether people want something changed or not, the change ultimately comes down to CCP. They are the ones balancing the changes, developing the code, and compiling the data. What is said here is merely a reflection of the underlying mechanics of the game. It's raw data that provokes changes, not crying; crying merely directs the attention to that particular set of data. If you have faith in CCP, then you have faith that they are crunching and compiling the numbers in a way that is beneficial to the game. If you don't have faith in CCP, then this is just a QQ troll thread because you don't like it when people have an opinion differing from your own.

Basically you said "my uncoordinated team was stomped by a coordinated team that covered the retreat of the tank."
"I also cannot provide any evidence to the frequency of shots nor number of actual hits to the tank, and I will gladly claim shots that hit objects around the tank to be hits just to claim it was their armor."

Bring us a video of this... Most AV users who bring in video proof are shown that they were hallucinating their own accuracy. Not to mention exaggerating the overall potency of allied AV.


The second flaw is that they can't prove whoever thy were fighting was the top of the top. Assault users can go 33/0 and AV users equate it to suit management. When they see a million ISK tank do the same thing, suddenly it's overpowered. They feel entitled to be able to kill any vehicle in front of them just because the gear is titled anti vehicle...

I assume his tank was armor, if so you really need swarms since it does more damage to armor than FG

So you need to learn how to AV

If it was a gunlogi i will call BS

Your title also ignorantly lumps dropship pilots into that whole statement. Sure, some of the best Assault dropship pilots in the game can make it work, but aside from going against blind AV or dumb luck, logistics dropships are dead before they deploy. There is no magic fit, no special tactics, it's a floating coffin in any serious match. I for one eagerly await these new vehicle changes, as well as hopefully a respec to go full into vehicles like I was before Uprising and the last respec scared me away from them.

I chose my skills wisely though, so if it doesn't come then I'm fine, though I'd like to be a vehicle specialist and nothing else. 18 million SP focused on vehicles would be more than enough for me to get down and dirty.




You're preaching to the choir, it took them over a year to fix the PG value on logistics dropships because dropships pilots were too much of a minority. I'm just saying, I think they call it a ten year plan for a reason

ROFL that guy hes not even a good tanker, hes just risk adverse and methodical, the only reason he has a high KDR is because he used to spend 90% of his time in the redline rail sniping and getting 3 or 4 kills a match.

Tanks can shine and so can Assault dropships, its just a matter of the conditions, if a few mates had decided "**** this tanker" they could have WTFBBQ'd his arse.

Sitting in the redline sniping till you have a 30 KDR certainly doesn't make you a good tanker, the tanker you mention is a kitten compared to many i've faced.

Anyway Im not gunna argue with you, your either trolling or you're trash, either one is beneath me.

Obv OP cant read

You are talking about your corp mate

We already moved on from the BS story that you made up or maybe it is real and you are all that bad at AV

Ishukone Assault > All the things

The problem is that AV is unorganized when they choose to switch to AV.
The amount of vehicles on the field is limited. Since AV isn't limited they are free to use as much as they want and there team will pay the consequences of not being able to defend itself.

In a match where AV sucks (like your match) i'll go 20+ and 0 with missile tanks on my weak ass Caldari tank.

In a match with one or two decent AV I'll go 10/0

In a match with one or two GOOD AV I'll go 5/1 (Down a million isk)

In a match where I get the turret bug, the ground bug, or the game crash bug, I'll go 0/1 before ever seeing an enemy and stop playing for a week.

Me and my friend have ADV AV (mine forge his swarms) and ADV AV grenades. We hop in a LAV fly up behind ANY tank in the game and pop it.

Stop being so bad at AV.

I'm a terrible Tanker & I'm filthy rich. Tanks are OP unstoppable killing machines & Gods of DUST 514. Nerf Tanks ASAP or I quit. Swarms need to rise into the sky, then homing should kick in, possibly with Nikita style TV Guidance. If an AFG whiffs my Tank the AoE Splash should flip me topside-down like a Koopa Troopa so AV Grenades may pelt my belly. I can't stand the HAV QQ....we are reasonably priced. If you can't go 40 Matches without dying then go kill yourself now. Why do you Scrubs ever even die at all??? Is it for Charity??? CCP cut the **** out & buff AV, you have been warned.

Why are you such a scrub bro, AV vs HAV is so over powered its unfunny, I need about 10 hands to count the times iv solo'd tanks.

Tell ya what, if forgeguns cant point downwards, thats when you can *****.

Vehicles are being balanced for PC, not pubs.

When you see at least one every dom and you see 2 - 3 in EVERY PC match, yeah, because guess what, the game isnt being balanced around you being stupid enough not to use a height advantage, but Planetary Conquest where forgegunner sit on towers and thats all they do.

perfect reason to ,because its gamebreaking dumbass.

Everyone in your corp this stupid? I'd hope not.

Seems like you know jack all about piloting an HAV.

Yeah I can go 35/0 under the right circumstances, prolly this guy was up against very ****** AV.

Prolly not, but I still think we should, as tankers, have access to proto tanks.

It was DOM with the new map also, so I had plenty of places to hide. BTW it was not samurai samurai it was me and their was another tanker but he was blown up at the beginning of the game.

Was just in a match with a good assault player.

This guy went 35/0 in a proto Gallente assault despite being under fire from frontline players the entire match, including myself.

I went 9/13. 10 of those deaths were the assault player 3 were from a Proto MinLogi with MLT shotgun popping me as I was trying to take out the assault.

Several times, after a shots from my standard mass driver we managed only to push the assault back. He retreated to an objective held by his team and fully repped and was back pwning face of our team within 45 seconds.

Anybody who thinks assaults are underpowered or cannot handle my awesome mass driver sucks at assaulting period!


CCP, nerfing my mass driver as you are intending will completely and utterly tip the balance of AR/MD all the way toward favoring assault rifles.



On a side note, if you can't pop a maddy with a DAU-2/A that is prof 3 and has damage mods you're bad and should feel bad.

Polish Hammer is LOLing @ your Post from his Basement. Get Good Scrub

So u dont play PC's I take it

Since you can't drop a Maddy with a prof 3 FG, yes, you are in fact a scrub.

Let me guess: You were standing right in front of the HAV with no cover in sight with something lower than a Adv. AV weapon, and none of you shot at him/her at the same time? I've taken on 8 AV weapons at the same time, doing exactly this, so I blame you.

You are a bad player and should feel bad about it, since all tanks can be solo'd

Have you ever considered that you were a bad AV user.

I wish then I could afford to field tanks.

I was on Manus Peak heading to the C area from the A ground spawn side, then I got hit by proto swarms from behind(no mods running didn't see it coming). I kept going so that I could turn onto the C road and escape, on my way 2 more volleys hit me (these 2 hits I had my mods on). I rounded the corner and got hit by another volley hit me I proceeded up the hill as another volley hit me I kept going almost over the hill when a final volley killed me dealing over 15,000 damage.

A. He should not have been able to hit me six times despite the fact that I moved a great distance and turned around an object.
B. he should not have ben able to fire so many volley's so quickly
C. one man should not be able to deal over 15k dmg
D. No one should be able to deal over 15k dmg in less than 15 seconds (that's more than an orbital)

The best way to solo a tanker as a heavy is:

LAV
Lai Dais
Ishukone Assault
2x DMG mod
stack basic plates in the lows. You don't need a repair module because you either won't live long enough to need it, or the tank will go pop and you can just head back to a supply.

You don't need to be up high, he can't run away, and if he tries, you can always park the LAV right up his ass so he hits it. You hop out of the LAV, chuck AV nade one and two, go for three if he still hasn't started moving. As soon as he starts to back up, get that forge out. 9 times out of 10 the second forge round will pop the tank.

If, by good tactics, you find yourself behind the tank, and he is unaware, do not throw your AV nades at him, but rather throw them on the ground behind him and then shoot him in the ass. Most drivers will panic, and back up onto your little pile o' nades and immolate themselves.

The LAV is necessary for ground forge work. That is why you see so many heavies just camping towers. Because they either don't have the LAV, or won't risk even more ISK to tackle a tank.

Tanks fold to constant pressure or surprise ambushs. Pick which ever is most appropriate for the situation and you should not have great troubles with armor.

Oh sweet jesus. MLT LAV requires 0 SP. 40k isk.

Dont whine about using crappy gear and crappy tactics and not blowing up tanks.

I have like 2m into infantry. ADV forge, ADV grenades. My friend has ADV swarms, ADV grenades.

Dead tanks ALL DAY when we roll up in an LAV.

I'm sure it could be solo'd if either of us had proto.

Just stop being bad man.

well.... what about the low grade tankers, the newbie tankers, what about them.. the AV/Vehicle balance doesn't exist, vehicles are ****, which is why hardly anyone runs tanks as far as I can see.. that also means less of a profit you make with av.

which do you want, more tanks or 2 dead classes... because the way things are now and the way they might go, we could probably see the death of the tank class and av class if things stay the same or get worse.

whats the point of skilling into tanks if they are left nowhere to go because of av?

whats the point in loggin into the forums if you hate it so much

1. Called out my tank to kill another tank instead of I don't know using OP AV.

2. Yes my point exactly swarms are OP because they can hit you almost anywhere on the map while an HAV can not

3. Go back to school and learn to read I activated mods as soon as I was hit says it above your comment.

4. It was on ambush, I never call out tanks on ambush unless It is called in to take out another tank (then I recall once destroyed)
5.There was no redline there ambush

6.1 OK this is off the top my head so nothings exact but lets say you have a Proto blaster with over 5 mil in blaster (turret operation, hybrid turret operation, enforcer skill.) you would do lets say 200 damage a shot blaster fires 420 shots a min I think so 7 a second times 15 seconds is 105 shots multiplied by 200 damage is 21,000 damage in 15 seconds.

6.2 This number is only 6,000 over a swarm and I'm a ******* tank with a 12 foot long barrel that rapidly shoots bullets the size of your fist. It may have only taked 12 seconds so that's a few thousand difference that can be eliminated, the swarm dealt about 15,600 so that shortens the gap even further. then you have to factor in the turret over heats as well as slows down as it's about to over heat so that's a few seconds of not firing to cool your heat so that you don't overheat

6.3 So your hand held weapon does more than my tank can in the same amount of time for much less sp, Complex dmg mods cost prob 1mil sp 600 sp for PRO weapon plus 1.5 mil for proficiency so about 3.1 (not infantry so numbers might be slightly off)
in total it costs 500k sp less the enforcer upgrade alone. Your proficiency helps you in your infantry game nut my hybrid turret skill only helps me rail snipe which I don't do.

I got hit by proto swarms from behind(no mods running didn't see it coming). I kept going so that I could turn onto the C road and escape

1. My opinion on what should take out a tank
A. a better fitted tank
B. A rail tank
C. Three or more coordinated AV specialists
D. Missile ADS with gunners

2. You say tanks are OP yet you don't use the weapon built to counter armor, IF your advocating for a FG buff then say so

3.My active modules that provide HP or reduction of damage that I had running were 2x carapace armor hardeners (the best ones) and 1 heavy efficient rep (the best rep in the game) to clarify.

4.-5. Sorry I should have specified

6. A tank is hard to maneuver through tight spaces while a heavy can use cover and height to his advantage. If you actually read 6.1-6.3 you would realize my estimate was very generous because you lose thousands of damage due to over heat, range, I got my 200 dmg a shot estimate form PRO blaster base dps around 146 multiplied by 30%(enforcer skill maxed 15% Hybrid turret maxed 5% turret upgrade maxed 10%) is like 191 damage so you lose a few thousand from that as well. My pub fit 800K my PC fit about 1.5 1.6 mil (same fit different blaster) Once I lose one tank I've gone negative You lose one fit you can choose to spawn in free anti armor suits (I killed a 1.5 mill tank with them once)

Want to kill a tank here's a tip hit the rear a bonus of 28% damage