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Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3265	Posted - 2013.10.25 20:02:00 - [1] - Quote Logi profile is 50 dB Standard scanner precision is 46 dB Advanced scanner precision is 36 dB Proto scanner precision is 28 dB Duvolle Focused precision is 15 dB So let's start, shall we? Logi: 50 dB At this point, everything detects you Dampening 5: 25% reduction is 75% the value 50 dB * 0.75 = 37.5 dB At this point, you evade standard scanners Add one complex dampener: 25% reduction is 75% the value 37.5 dB * 0.75 = 28.125 dB At this point, you evade advanced scanners Add a second complex dampener: stacking penalty, 25% * .87 = 21.75% reduction, which is 78.25% of the value 28.125 dB * 0.7825 = 22.0078125 dB, or about 22 dB At this point, you evade proto scanners except the Duvolle focused Add a third complex dampener: stacking penalty, 25% * .57 = 14.25% reduction, which is 85.75% of the value 22 dB * 0.8575 = 18.865 dB Nothing is gained from this Add a fourth compelx dampener: stacking penalty, 25% * .28 = 7% reduction, which is 93% of the value 18.865 dB * 0.93 = 17.54445 dB Nothing is gained from this Add a fifth complex dampener, the most you can add. Stacking penalty, 25% * .106 = 2.65% reduction, which is 97.35% of the value 17.54445 dB * .9735 = 17.08 dB Nothing is gained So there you have it. With just the skill you can avoid standard, with one complex you can avoid advanced, with two complex you can avoid most proto, but no matter how many you add you cannot avoid the Duvolle Focused as a logi. If you want to avoid those, you need a scout suit with level 5 scout, level 5 dampening, and 2 complex dampeners.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3265	Posted - 2013.10.25 20:04:00 - [2] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: Are you sure there are stacking penalties on dampeners? Not going to turn on the game to find out but I didn't think they did. The game does not say they are they, but they do exist. Experiment on your own if you don't believe me.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3265	Posted - 2013.10.25 20:06:00 - [3] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: sorry but dampening skill gives -2% not -5% per level so only -10% when maxed not -25% Derp, you're right. I'm going to edit my math above.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3265	Posted - 2013.10.25 20:13:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Gunmouse wrote: sorry but dampening skill gives -2% not -5% per level so only -10% when maxed not -25% Derp, you're right. I'm going to edit my math above. Math edited, and that's why I sometimes forget what the bonus for the skill is, because whether it's 2% per level or 5% per level it doesn't change which scanners you can evade if only using complex dampeners.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3265	Posted - 2013.10.25 20:19:00 - [5] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: and you want me to take your word on there being stacking penalties . For realz tho, i'd test it, but as a proto gal scout i dont care either way =) Yes, because it has been tested and proved impossible for a medium suit to avoid the duvolle focused, which means there has to be stacking penalties taking place. In fact, not even the light frame can avoid the duvolle focused. That is a luxury exclusive to the Gallente scout, and it requires you have the prototype scout with all 4 slots as complex dampeners. CCP should probably look to change that though, not that we see many Duvolle Focused scanners anyways.
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3265	Posted - 2013.10.25 20:32:00 - [6] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Gunmouse wrote: and you want me to take your word on there being stacking penalties . For realz tho, i'd test it, but as a proto gal scout i dont care either way =) It may behoove you to get your dampener skills to Lvl 2 and throw on a militia or basic dampener to avoid 28dB Proto scans. Dodging the 15dB would require all four of your lows to use Complex Dampeners, so for most people it isn't worthwhile. I just came to this conclusion as well, which is really BS. Especially considering the Duvolle Focused has the least fitting requirements for a proto scanner, it's just a slight ISK premium. If scouts ever got to the point where they were viable, why would anyone carrying proto scanners not carry the Duvolle Focused? Thus it'd render the scouts bonus worthless, especially considering it is impossible for a scout with less than 4 lows, like the Minmatar scout, to evade it. They should look at tweaking the numbers for the scanner precisions and scout base profile signature (specifically the scout, not the light), such that everything remains the same as it is now for every suit in how to avoid scanners, but for the scout it would be: Avoid standard by default, as it does now Avoid advanced by max skills, as it does now Avoid proto by 1 complex module, as it does now Avoid Duvolle Focused with 2 complex modules, which currently would actually require 4. That is 3 whole extra mods just to gain the next benefit, and some scouts don't even have room for that.

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