DUST Search - New SWARM changes

Atiim wrote:

Harpyja wrote:

WUT ANG wrote:

I want my sp back.

No. Your fault you specced into a broken, easy to use, fire and forget AV weapon that can solo even the best of tanks.

Edit: I just want to add, a few months ago, a friend and I got on a tower on an open map. I had a militia swarm and he had an advanced forge gun. The enemy had a Madrugar deep into our side, but we were in the middle. He dropped the Madrugar's shields and I launched my first volley. We both took about three shots and the Madrugar popped to my militia swarm. Like I said, easy to use, and requires no skill. That was one of my first times ever to use a swarm in a long time.

Swarms are not fire and forget. They are fire, forget, and "oh crap they crashed into a wall and know the tank knows where I am" weapon

Do you know the power of vanilla swarms? NO? Didn't thinks so.

AV is super strong because of people like me who have proficiency Lvl. V.

Any Madrugar's shields are gonna go to any AV. A madrugar is an armored tank, and it only has 1k shields.

And if that was a real MLT swarm, then that was a crappy Madrugar.

You clearly have no idea of what your talking about.

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Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2234	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:28:00 - [31] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: Why is everyone forgetting that vehicles are getting their offensive capabilities severely limited by the implementation of turret ammunition? Also, I noticed that many agree the main weakness of swarms is the pilot's ability to outrun the missiles. Yeah, well that ain't possible now because if you can get a lock on us you'll be so close we CAN'T outrun them. And 100% agree with Rhadamanthus: If you guys get your SP back I want my ISK back for all the dropships I lost. Oh and did I mention VEHICLE TURRET AMMUNITION? Damnit guys. All you have to do is camp the supply depots. **** me, it's so easy I'm crying for tankers right now. With the new 'waves of opportunity modules', if you see one rushing for the supply depot you can be damn sure their reppers and hardeners are down and they have no ammo to shoot you with. AND oh, oh, did I mention at such close range lock-on we can't outrun the missiles? The range doesn't bother me that much. I usually don't fire til I'm sure I'm gonna make contact. Dont want my missiles hitting hills or buildings. The closer you are, the less time pilot or tank has to react. Indeed, the range limitation seems to be their way of "fixing" swarms not rendering and does not bother me to much The drastic damage nerf is the real problem since now we essentially have standard gear at best while vehicles are getting their health increased
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1507	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:33:00 - [32] - Quote Yes you will prob get your SP back because god forbid you actually try to adapt to the changes
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 649	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:37:00 - [33] - Quote I got proto swarms i am not really happy with these changes because it weakens me but damn people STFU with all the btching and moaning...
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2235	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:39:00 - [34] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Yes you will prob get your SP back because god forbid you actually try to adapt to the changes So we should kick and scream for 6 months like the tankers did?
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2732	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:39:00 - [35] - Quote Lol. Whats wrong Wut? Afraid you cant camp mountains anymore? This only means you'll have to get into the fight. Git Gud.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1270	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:41:00 - [36] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Unfitted milita tanks have enough EHP to withstand a full clip from proto level swarms and keep on driving They took away 2 rounds and then nerfed it even harder. I just wanna know why the FG wasn't touched.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 492	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:43:00 - [37] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: They took away 2 rounds and then nerfed it even harder. I just wanna know why the FG wasn't touched. Because besides the Assault variants, they are working as intended.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 161	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:44:00 - [38] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Unfitted milita tanks have enough EHP to withstand a full clip from proto level swarms and keep on driving They took away 2 rounds and then nerfed it even harder. I just wanna know why the FG wasn't touched. It will be, the post said they are getting to it.
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 633	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:44:00 - [39] - Quote Lol at all the infantry scrubs. They have been able to solo tanks since Uprising and are crying now that they won't be able to solo tanks any more. Time for tankers to collect some tears!
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 753	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:44:00 - [40] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: QQ I won't be able to AV nade and 3 shot 2 mil isk tanks with my 70k AV suit anymore, woe is me how will I ever play the game now, my spiteful little crutch has been kicked out from under me kicks and screams on the floor crying like a toddler This game only has a hand full of AV weapons and you are complaining about just 1 of 3. Lets see there is SL, FG, and AV nades, thats it. The Plasma cannon is to slow and the MD is supposed to be for area denial, but I have seen it used to take out vehicles. The SL at the moment has issues, it fires rockets when it's not supposed to, it fails to lock on, vehicles can hit the after burners and out run them with ease, and they have a short range. Its supposed to be in the future, but rocket technology has taken a few steps back in my opinion. So by your reason you cannot fight a tank with an actual AV weapon, I know we can fight tanks with all the tears they shed when they lose a tank. Cant afford to lose it, do not bring it on the field, that goes for vehicles, proto suits and weapons, and officer weapons.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1508	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:45:00 - [41] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Yes you will prob get your SP back because god forbid you actually try to adapt to the changes So we should kick and scream for 6 months like the tankers did? Only after you have had 6months and more of complete nerfs So far this is only nerf you have recieved in over 6months of buffs You now have to adapt and change like all the vehicle pilots did Get good scrub
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 634	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:08:00 - [42] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: I want my sp back. No. Your fault you specced into a broken, easy to use, fire and forget AV weapon that can solo even the best of tanks. Edit: I just want to add, a few months ago, a friend and I got on a tower on an open map. I had a militia swarm and he had an advanced forge gun. The enemy had a Madrugar deep into our side, but we were in the middle. He dropped the Madrugar's shields and I launched my first volley. We both took about three shots and the Madrugar popped to my militia swarm. Like I said, easy to use, and requires no skill. That was one of my first times ever to use a swarm in a long time.
Vulpes Dolosus Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder. 144	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:22:00 - [43] - Quote Even though I'm a vehicle specialist (as in no infantry at all), I'm kind of bummed about the range nerf. I think it should have been decreased, but to 200-250m rather than <200m. After all, it means that I can hover above in my dropship and snipe with accelerated missiles (or any missile for that matter at 200m range) with impunity.
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 45	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:31:00 - [44] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: OK 175 meters vs a scattered ion you try it. tryed it. i got blown up by the swarmer. you owe me 2 mill, smartass
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 45	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:32:00 - [45] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Even though I'm a vehicle specialist (as in no infantry at all), I'm kind of bummed about the range nerf. I think it should have been decreased, but to 200-250m rather than <200m. After all, it means that I can hover above in my dropship and snipe with accelerated missiles (or any missile for that matter at 200m range) with impunity. as a rail tanker, i mostly 1-shot or 2-shot you guys so you arent god mode. sorry to break the news.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1561	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:36:00 - [46] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: Even though I'm a vehicle specialist (as in no infantry at all), I'm kind of bummed about the range nerf. I think it should have been decreased, but to 200-250m rather than <200m. After all, it means that I can hover above in my dropship and snipe with accelerated missiles (or any missile for that matter at 200m range) with impunity. If you're that good of a dropship pilot to maintain a position between 200-175m of a swarm launcher without going too far above or too close, you deserve it. I know I can't, especially if the swarmer is moving on uneven terrain.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 494	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:37:00 - [47] - Quote if it makes you feel any better I want mine back as well. not having a full specced tank isn't as much fun. I haven't seen the changes yet but if they are as bad as you are saying, then perhaps it's because the swarm is meant for light vehicles not heavy ones...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 354	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:51:00 - [48] - Quote GREAT SEE! NOW THESE FLUXING LOL TANKS ARE GONNA BE OP! WHY DID CCP LISTEN TO THESE TANKERS, DID THEY EVEN DO THE MATH?!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 354	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:57:00 - [49] - Quote Harpyja wrote: WUT ANG wrote: I want my sp back. No. Your fault you specced into a broken, easy to use, fire and forget AV weapon that can solo even the best of tanks. Edit: I just want to add, a few months ago, a friend and I got on a tower on an open map. I had a militia swarm and he had an advanced forge gun. The enemy had a Madrugar deep into our side, but we were in the middle. He dropped the Madrugar's shields and I launched my first volley. We both took about three shots and the Madrugar popped to my militia swarm. Like I said, easy to use, and requires no skill. That was one of my first times ever to use a swarm in a long time. Swarms are not fire and forget. They are fire, forget, and "oh crap they crashed into a wall and know the tank knows where I am" weapon Do you know the power of vanilla swarms? NO? Didn't thinks so. AV is super strong because of people like me who have proficiency Lvl. V. Any Madrugar's shields are gonna go to any AV. A madrugar is an armored tank, and it only has 1k shields. And if that was a real MLT swarm, then that was a crappy Madrugar. You clearly have no idea of what your talking about.
Harpyja Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 637	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:16:00 - [50] - Quote Atiim wrote: Harpyja wrote: WUT ANG wrote: I want my sp back. No. Your fault you specced into a broken, easy to use, fire and forget AV weapon that can solo even the best of tanks. Edit: I just want to add, a few months ago, a friend and I got on a tower on an open map. I had a militia swarm and he had an advanced forge gun. The enemy had a Madrugar deep into our side, but we were in the middle. He dropped the Madrugar's shields and I launched my first volley. We both took about three shots and the Madrugar popped to my militia swarm. Like I said, easy to use, and requires no skill. That was one of my first times ever to use a swarm in a long time. Swarms are not fire and forget. They are fire, forget, and "oh crap they crashed into a wall and know the tank knows where I am" weapon Do you know the power of vanilla swarms? NO? Didn't thinks so. AV is super strong because of people like me who have proficiency Lvl. V. Any Madrugar's shields are gonna go to any AV. A madrugar is an armored tank, and it only has 1k shields. And if that was a real MLT swarm, then that was a crappy Madrugar. You clearly have no idea of what your talking about. I can tell good fits from bad. His armor rep cycled through the whole 15 seconds and he almost outranged my swarms before my death dealing blow. He was retreating as fast as he could from our side to his redline, but our tower advantage (and the addition of my friend) allowed us to pop him.

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 177	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:26:00 - [51] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Unfitted milita tanks have enough EHP to withstand a full clip from proto level swarms and keep on driving False.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 177	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:31:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: GREAT SEE! NOW THESE FLUXING LOL TANKS ARE GONNA BE OP! WHY DID CCP LISTEN TO THESE TANKERS, DID THEY EVEN DO THE MATH?! Have you seen what they are doing to tanks??? Tanks are not going to be gods by any means with the new changes. Maybe you should check that out before you QQ on their changes! Tanks will have fewer slots to fit with, so less overall EHP, and potential.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Public Disorder. 177	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:37:00 - [53] - Quote ILLUSIONxox wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Unfitted milita tanks have enough EHP to withstand a full clip from proto level swarms and keep on driving yep and thats a ****.ing problem , i see the swarm launcher taking a heavy fall in the Stock market aswell as the AV grenades its almost as if they dont want any automobiles to be destroyed . What is wrong with you people. A full set of proto swarms will murder any milita tank. Hands down. Anyone that half way knows this game would know that. And go check the tank changes before you QQ all over the place.
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 36	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:38:00 - [54] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Lol. Whats wrong Wut? Afraid you cant camp mountains anymore? This only means you'll have to get into the fight. Git Gud. If I'm in the mountains its because I'm sniping the only thing I'm going too miss is being able to kill your turrets in the red zone when you don't come out.
Knight Soiaire P.O.I.N.T.L.E.S.S A.C.R.O.N.Y.M 2742	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:41:00 - [55] - Quote WUT ANG wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Lol. Whats wrong Wut? Afraid you cant camp mountains anymore? This only means you'll have to get into the fight. Git Gud. If I'm in the mountains its because I'm sniping the only thing I'm going too miss is being able to kill your turrets in the red zone when you don't come out. You always bring out the Swarm to camp in a mountain. But I guess you newbs have to scrape those WPs and Kills some way. I guess this is an indirect nerf to D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N, in a way.
WUT ANG D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 36	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:46:00 - [56] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: WUT ANG wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Lol. Whats wrong Wut? Afraid you cant camp mountains anymore? This only means you'll have to get into the fight. Git Gud. If I'm in the mountains its because I'm sniping the only thing I'm going too miss is being able to kill your turrets in the red zone when you don't come out. You always bring out the Swarm to camp in a mountain. But I guess you newbs have to scrape those WPs and Kills some way. I guess this is an indirect nerf to D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N, in a way. When have you seen me in the mountains with a swarm are you dreaming about me killing you again.
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 1743	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:46:00 - [57] - Quote Ryder Azorria wrote: This is being released the same time as the vehicle changes - against current vehicles you'd have a point, but against the new designs they look like they'll work quite nicely. Fingers crossed.
The Attorney General MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1344	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:48:00 - [58] - Quote I am loving the crying from the swarms scrubs. Scrub tears, even better tasting than good player tears.
Jason Pearson Animus Securities 3055	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:50:00 - [59] - Quote Read like two pages of this ** thread. AV is getting nerfed, because it needed nerfing, it was painfully *** obvious especially when it came to Good AVers vs Good Tankers, A single AVer can stop all Vehicles. I don't even know why we have a lock on option for Ground Vehicles, it's quite obvious ya'll would cry at any changes that removed your ***** crutch. Also, go and look over the upcoming HP changes for Vehicles, look at it all together rather than a single piece. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
The Attorney General MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1346	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:53:00 - [60] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Read like two pages of this **** thread. Also, go and look over the upcoming HP changes for Vehicles, look at it all together rather than a single piece. Come on now Jason, you know swarm users are not smart enough to think about anything beyond their own stuff. heck, if you made tanks have 10 hp and nerfed swarms to do 5 damage, the swarm guys would still be crying.



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