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Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1141	Posted - 2013.10.25 12:58:00 - [1] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Can't we have just one gun with pre-chromosome camera-sights? We're going to have 4 racial ARs, each with their own variants, can't one variant of one of those guns have it? Having an option for camera sights would add a lot to the game. Maybe one for each race now, but later whan we have moddable weapons A camera sight makes a lot of sense, immerion-wise. I liked the camera sights because they were something different than the vanilla fps shooters but were fairly easy to adapt to.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1141	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:14:00 - [2] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Foundation Seldon wrote: With this in mind ... YES! What this means is that more than likely it'll require a bit of teamwork to take out a well fit vehicle and the act of soloing a tank is going to be a much more difficult endeavor. THIS IS OKAY because Tanks will be in no way as dominant as they were in previous builds of the game because they'll have to keep ammo sufficiently supplied in order to be effective. If it takes a team of infantry to take down a tank then of course the tank is dominant. If one player can do something that requires several players on the opposing side to counter it, then that thing provides a decisive numerical advantage. Rocks-paper-scissors requires that one 'paper' (AV) can beat one 'rock' (tank). If it takes two or three AV to beat one tank, then AV is futile, as you'd be better off just bringing out your own tank. In other words, you don't have rock-paper-scissors but rather tank>infantry. Except this won't be the case. I have to emphasize the following here : HP, Burst Tanking, and Decreased Effectiveness of Infantry Slaying Turrets 1. Tanks have lower HP than they did before 2. There's far more reliance on active modules in order to "tank" any sort of significant damage 3. Finite Ammo means Tanks have to take their focus away from infantry slaying at multiple points in order to resupply AV will still be fulfilling its role by creating areas where the Tank can't effectively pass without taking significant damage, you don't need to kill the Tank in order to ensure that its effectiveness in the match is decreased. More so than that, and I mentioned this in my last post, but balancing AV with respect to ONLY tanks creates the situation that we have now in which Tanks are the only vehicle worth calling out in the middle of a match. I think we can both agree that Dropships are far too fragile in their current state and the LAV class of vehicles is near useless outside of Militia/BPO for transport and the Logistics class for exploiting its insane base resistances. In order to incentivize the use of AV against vehicles though I think it'd be nice to see the return of WP awarded for doing a sufficient amount of damage to Tanks. If dedicated AV won't be getting the majority of their points from killing tanks then I think it'd be nice if they got rewarded for doing enough to deter them. I like your take on this Mr. Seldon. Enough variables are changing that hands-on will be required before any of us know what we're talking about. It does look like swarms are being relegated to two roles: 1)Their primary role is as an area denial weapon, and they will be moderately effective in that role at proto level against well-fit standard hulls. 2)Their secondary role is as a component of an AV team, perhaps as the second stage of a tank-trap built around the active/passive phases of tank defences. They will need to be mobile, self-sufficient and low-profile, and they will need to maximize their damage output. They will be baby-soft and easy pickings for anything else on the field. They really need a wingman, but that means and AV team would be 3 peeps. Don't see that happening, tbqh. It will be interesting to see what happens. I'm thinking it's going to be ugly.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1141	Posted - 2013.10.25 13:30:00 - [3] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Those numbers dont strike me as particularly odd. We should stay cautious regarding the DPS stats as we all know the guns behavior is a major factor in how effective a gun is. Also, we dont have the accuracy rating for those new rifles. And we all know how the DPS from the machine gun seems appealing at first.. So yeah. Wait and see. That may be so, but let's look at the rail rifle. It has a very long range on it. If it's particularly inaccurate, it's not going to effective at that range. If it's accurate enough to take advantage of that range, it outperforms most other weapons. My guess is that its hipfire isn't too great, or the aiming speed while ADS suffer greatly. A combination of both seems likely as well. This seems the most plausible prediction to me, and also unscoped rotation rate may suffer a bit too. Looking at the apparently soft stats of the combat rifles i'd expect them to be on the top of the hipfire/rotation rate heap. Ofc there will be balancing passes, but given what we're being presented with here it's looking like the racial weapon profiles will be sufficiently distinct that they all have their own 'personalities' and domains, and that there are multiple interesting factors to balance for situational weapon selection. It's what wasn't in Wolfman's tables that will make the difference here. Lastly, o7 Wolfman. The opportunity for analysis and feedback is appreciated.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1141	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:23:00 - [4] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Nice stuff there. I don't know if it has been asked already, but is there going to be a racial skill change for drop suits too? Are Combat Rifle and Rail rifle going to have a sharpshooter skill? This is an important point. I can't help but feel that racial suit bonuses may play into these racial weapons. It would be nice to know from CCP if there is more to the story than we're seeing in these tables.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1141	Posted - 2013.10.25 14:45:00 - [5] - Quote RydogV wrote: How about a petition to change the name of the current "Assault Rifle" to "Blaster Rifle"? It seems more fitting to the tech and less confusing since all of these weapons are technically part of the Assault Rifle class. ~All In Favor~ Aye.

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