DUST Search - Video: Minmatar 5 with system hacking 5 plus 1 to 4 complex breakers. Math?

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

ratamaq doc wrote:

So I finally finished out System Hacking 5. 777k sp for that last 5% took forever to look appealing enough.

The video shows hack speeds for No skills (with an alt), Mini Logi 5 with system 5 no mods, and finally 1 - 4 Complex breakers.

I can't get the stacking Math to work out with what I am seeing. Any math pros care to chime in on what the actual stacking penalties are?

Feel free to challenge the times I am saying. I used the video editor and moved forward frame by frame starting from when the hack circle with a lock in it appeared to when the 'Hack' dialog appeared. Times were too close to use a stop watch. But if someone has a better way I'd love to hear it.

I thought about using Tempo. There are exactly 26 beeps no matter what the speed is, so adding skill just increases the tempo. The video was all shot in one take then clipped down, so the frame rate is as constant as it can get I guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHzMZTuIwo&feature=youtu.be

Edit:

The numbers for discussion

Base: 10s
Logimatar: 5.5s
1x Codebreaker: 4.5s
2x Codebreaker: 3.5s
3x Codebreaker: 3.2s
4x Codebreaker: 3.0s

COOL VIDEO! BUT I INSIST:

Hacking bonus should be a Scout thing...

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ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 101	Posted - 2013.10.25 03:40:00 - [1] - Quote So I finally finished out System Hacking 5. 777k sp for that last 5% took forever to look appealing enough. The video shows hack speeds for No skills (with an alt), Mini Logi 5 with system 5 no mods, and finally 1 - 4 Complex breakers. I can't get the stacking Math to work out with what I am seeing. Any math pros care to chime in on what the actual stacking penalties are? Feel free to challenge the times I am saying. I used the video editor and moved forward frame by frame starting from when the hack circle with a lock in it appeared to when the 'Hack' dialog appeared. Times were too close to use a stop watch. But if someone has a better way I'd love to hear it. I thought about using Tempo. There are exactly 26 beeps no matter what the speed is, so adding skill just increases the tempo. The video was all shot in one take then clipped down, so the frame rate is as constant as it can get I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHzMZTuIwo&feature=youtu.be
Roofer Madness A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 393	Posted - 2013.10.25 03:42:00 - [2] - Quote Hmm. I was under the impression there was no stacking penalty on codebreakers. At least it doesn't mention one in the description. edit: thanks for the video. This community is pretty cool sometimes.
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 848	Posted - 2013.10.25 03:46:00 - [3] - Quote For the sake of discussion, would you mind posting your data in this thread? That way we don't need to zoom around the video for the relevant information. Base: XX s Logimatar: XXs 1x Codebreaker: XXs 2x Codebreaker: XXs 3x Codebreaker: XXs 4x Codebreaker: XXs Etc.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 103	Posted - 2013.10.25 03:50:00 - [4] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: For the sake of discussion, would you mind posting your data in this thread? That way we don't need to zoom around the video for the relevant information. Base: XX s Logimatar: XXs 1x Codebreaker: XXs 2x Codebreaker: XXs 3x Codebreaker: XXs 4x Codebreaker: XXs Etc. Yep, sorry I'll edit the topic also. Base: 10s Logimatar: 5.5s 1x Codebreaker: 4.5s 2x Codebreaker: 3.5s 3x Codebreaker: 3.2s 4x Codebreaker: 3.0s
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3233	Posted - 2013.10.25 03:51:00 - [5] - Quote Kind of off topic, but the hacking bonus really should be the racial bonus for the Minmatar scout, since hacking is something scouts can do quite well when sneaking behind enemy lines. Minmatar logistics should get some other bonus. But I'll stop there since I don't want to derail your thread.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 103	Posted - 2013.10.25 03:54:00 - [6] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Kind of off topic, but the hacking bonus really should be the racial bonus for the Minmatar scout, since hacking is something scouts can do quite well when sneaking behind enemy lines. Minmatar logistics should get some other bonus. But I'll stop there since I don't want to derail your thread. I love my Hack speed, but I'll trade a scout for his profile and Dampening bonus any day.
Cosgar ParagonX 6437	Posted - 2013.10.25 03:56:00 - [7] - Quote So this confirms that diminishing returns are per attribute and not per module. Thanks for the test, OP.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2066	Posted - 2013.10.25 04:00:00 - [8] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: So I finally finished out System Hacking 5. 777k sp for that last 5% took forever to look appealing enough. The video shows hack speeds for No skills (with an alt), Mini Logi 5 with system 5 no mods, and finally 1 - 4 Complex breakers. I can't get the stacking Math to work out with what I am seeing. Any math pros care to chime in on what the actual stacking penalties are? Feel free to challenge the times I am saying. I used the video editor and moved forward frame by frame starting from when the hack circle with a lock in it appeared to when the 'Hack' dialog appeared. Times were too close to use a stop watch. But if someone has a better way I'd love to hear it. I thought about using Tempo. There are exactly 26 beeps no matter what the speed is, so adding skill just increases the tempo. The video was all shot in one take then clipped down, so the frame rate is as constant as it can get I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHzMZTuIwo&feature=youtu.be Edit: The numbers for discussion Base: 10s Logimatar: 5.5s 1x Codebreaker: 4.5s 2x Codebreaker: 3.5s 3x Codebreaker: 3.2s 4x Codebreaker: 3.0s COOL VIDEO! BUT I INSIST: Hacking bonus should be a Scout thing...
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3233	Posted - 2013.10.25 04:03:00 - [9] - Quote Stacking penalties apply to modules, not passive bonuses. Also bonuses are compounded together. So it should be Regular: 10 seconds Minmatar Logi 5 Hacking 5: 10 * 0.75 * 0.75 = 5.625 seconds With 1 Complex: 5.625 * 0.75 = 4.21827 seconds With 2 Complex: 4.21827 * (100 - (25 * 0.87)) * .01 = 3.3 seconds And I'm not sure what the stacking penalty for a third module is. Anyways, this is pretty close to your estimations from the video. And if anyone is confused with why I did what I did for that 2nd complex I'll try to explain it better.
Cosgar ParagonX 6438	Posted - 2013.10.25 04:05:00 - [10] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: ratamaq doc wrote: So I finally finished out System Hacking 5. 777k sp for that last 5% took forever to look appealing enough. The video shows hack speeds for No skills (with an alt), Mini Logi 5 with system 5 no mods, and finally 1 - 4 Complex breakers. I can't get the stacking Math to work out with what I am seeing. Any math pros care to chime in on what the actual stacking penalties are? Feel free to challenge the times I am saying. I used the video editor and moved forward frame by frame starting from when the hack circle with a lock in it appeared to when the 'Hack' dialog appeared. Times were too close to use a stop watch. But if someone has a better way I'd love to hear it. I thought about using Tempo. There are exactly 26 beeps no matter what the speed is, so adding skill just increases the tempo. The video was all shot in one take then clipped down, so the frame rate is as constant as it can get I guess. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHzMZTuIwo&feature=youtu.be Edit: The numbers for discussion Base: 10s Logimatar: 5.5s 1x Codebreaker: 4.5s 2x Codebreaker: 3.5s 3x Codebreaker: 3.2s 4x Codebreaker: 3.0s COOL VIDEO! BUT I INSIST: Hacking bonus should be a Scout thing... Sorry, but Minmatar logi has had a hacking bonus since E3. You're welcome to skill into systems hacking and using a codebreaker. And on a side note, the Minmatar logistics suit is a product of the Sebiestor bloodline, so it fits from a lore standpoint as well.

ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 110	Posted - 2013.10.25 04:24:00 - [11] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Stacking penalties apply to modules, not passive bonuses. Also bonuses are compounded together. So it should be Regular: 10 seconds Minmatar Logi 5 Hacking 5: 10 * 0.75 * 0.75 = 5.625 seconds With 1 Complex: 5.625 * 0.75 = 4.21827 seconds With 2 Complex: 4.21827 * (100 - (25 * 0.87)) * .01 = 3.3 seconds And I'm not sure what the stacking penalty for a third module is. Anyways, this is pretty close to your estimations from the video. And if anyone is confused with why I did what I did for that 2nd complex I'll try to explain it better. Winner! I'd say. That looks good. Each time is less that 2 tenths of a second off from all but 1 time that I claimed. I went back to the source and looked a little closer. The "Hack" dialog came up between 4.3 and 4.4 seconds moving frame by frame. The actual Hack may not begin until 1 tenth of a second after the Hack circle with the lock in it appears. I didn't think to take the second skill bonus from the remainder of the time after applying the first. Thanks!
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2069	Posted - 2013.10.25 04:25:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but Minmatar logi has had a hacking bonus since E3. You're welcome to skill into systems hacking and using a codebreaker. And on a side note, the Minmatar logistics suit is a product of the Sebiestor bloodline, so it fits from a lore standpoint as well. I would if my Minmatar logi had more than 2 LOW slots and i need 1 to fit a Profile dampener so they dont ambush my weak a all the time, and the other one for a CPU enhancer since i cant fit S in my suit :3
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 110	Posted - 2013.10.25 04:31:00 - [13] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Cosgar wrote: Sorry, but Minmatar logi has had a hacking bonus since E3. You're welcome to skill into systems hacking and using a codebreaker. And on a side note, the Minmatar logistics suit is a product of the Sebiestor bloodline, so it fits from a lore standpoint as well. I would if my Minmatar logi had more than 2 LOW slots and i need 1 to fit a Profile dampener so they dont ambush my weak a all the time, and the other one for a CPU enhancer since i cant fit S in my suit :3 Off topic, but your talking a standard suite I guess for only having two low slots? WTF are you fitting that is spiking your CPU so High that you need a CPU mod on a STD suite?
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 527	Posted - 2013.10.29 00:01:00 - [14] - Quote It occurred to me the other night that we may be trying to math Codebreakers incorrectly. THe base hack time is 10 seconds. This makes the hack speed .1 Hacks/Second. Max skills will net you a 25% increase, and (1.25)x(.1) is .125 hacks per second. The inverse (seconds per hack) is the 8. So, the math (with no stacking penalties): Base: 10 Seconds. Hacking V: 8 seconds Hacking V and 1 Complex: 6.4 seconds Hacking V and 2 Complex: 5.12 seconds Hacking V and 3 Complex: 4.096 seconds Hacking V and 4 Complex: 3.2768 seconds Compared to the 10x(1-X) Method: Base: 10 Seconds. Hacking V: 7.5 seconds Hacking V and 1 Complex: 5.625 seconds Hacking V and 2 Complex: 4.21875 seconds Hacking V and 3 Complex: 3.1640625 Seconds Hacking V and 4 Complex: 2.373046875 Seconds Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1070	Posted - 2013.10.29 00:05:00 - [15] - Quote Wow, you have inspired me to make my min logi a ninja hacker with scanner. Sygnachoor Level 1 forum warrior.
ratamaq doc 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 118	Posted - 2013.10.29 00:28:00 - [16] - Quote Iposted an update to this video Thread here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=117800


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