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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:17:00 -
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Ive noticed in the past week a sudden decrease in AR's Are OP threads. Maybe its because 90% of people agree they are range broken, or maybe it is because CCP already confirmed they re supposed to be Close - mid range instead of out DPS'n Scrambler rifles and Lasers at optimal range...
but this is not the only thing i've noticed.
IN GAMES the amound of Ars is decreasing. Maybe im blind,but i've been seeing ASCRs,SCRs,SMG's SHOTGUNS!, mass drivers again,etc....
MAybe people are just realizing they need to find a new weapon to use since ARs are not going to be KING OF ALL TRADES anymore.
I think this is a good thing, for 2 reasons: GÖª The diversity has increased to a pleasurable level where not only you have a chance to fight back since you dont have 3 guys shooting at you at the same time with GEKs (and we all know thats 100% death sentence) but you get the chance to adapt more with your weapon to different situations. GÖª THE Plasma rifle or AR as its commonly known WILL be classified as a CQ weapon,so its another weapon scouts will be able to use with a certain degree of advantage over other weapons.
Discuss. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
343
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:22:00 -
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Goodbye COD514
Hello DUST |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Goodbye COD514
Hello DUST
Hopefully my friend, hopefully..... |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3230
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:27:00 -
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I think you're seeing more weapon diversity because people are bored and don't want to do the same thing all the time, even if they realize they would do better with the AR. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6435
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:27:00 -
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Looking forward to the combat and rail rifle's induction to the game's meta. Maybe this means we'll be more emphasis on fitting diversity instead of just stacking plates since those rifles will deal bonus damage to armor. |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:27:00 -
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Live it up while you can. Soon as people start gravitating towards the next weapon we'll be right back to square 1. The AR is going to be close-medium range? So it should be on even ground with the Shotgun. I guess that makes sense, somewhere, somehow.......... |
Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2378
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:30:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Live it up while you can. Soon as people start gravitating towards the next weapon we'll be right back to square 1. The AR is going to be close-medium range? So it should be on even ground with the Shotgun. I guess that makes sense, somewhere, somehow.......... I hear with the Breach AR you'll have to melee them for the shots to connect. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2064
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:30:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:Live it up while you can. Soon as people start gravitating towards the next weapon we'll be right back to square 1. The AR is going to be close-medium range? So it should be on even ground with the Shotgun. I guess that makes sense, somewhere, somehow..........
With good aim you can kill the enemy with this ''close-mid range'' AR. If the shotgunners lives to get close you are dead. Fair enough.
This would explain why ARS are so beast at CQ XD
@ Cosgar: Im a Caldari tech fanboi too, i cant wait for rail rifles and Magsec SMGS XD |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
391
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:36:00 -
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I've noticed a bit more diversity on the battlefield lately. Makes me feel a lot better about the game. The Plasma Rifl... I mean assault rifle is just so damn .. vanilla. We're playing a space age shooter for christ's sake. Bring on the crazy weapons!!!! |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2064
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:42:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:I've noticed a bit more diversity on the battlefield lately. Makes me feel a lot better about the game. The Plasma Rifl... I mean assault rifle is just so damn .. vanilla. We're playing a space age shooter for christ's sake. Bring on the crazy weapons!!!!
PLISS CCP , give us more weapons ,ty. |
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1271
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:51:00 -
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Still haven't seen a small railgun kill yet...... |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:53:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Still haven't seen a small railgun kill yet......
nope, but i have bee killed by missile launchers lately :D
Whats up with those RAilguns anyways,they are worst than Breach FGs and thats saying something... |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
393
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:54:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Still haven't seen a small railgun kill yet......
I got killed by a small rail one time. True story. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6437
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:57:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Still haven't seen a small railgun kill yet...... I got killed by a small rail one time. True story. I would go around telling people that. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:59:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Ive noticed in the past week a sudden decrease in AR's Are OP threads. Maybe its because 90% of people agree they are range broken, or maybe it is because CCP already confirmed they re supposed to be Close - mid range instead of out DPS'n Scrambler rifles and Lasers at optimal range...
but this is not the only thing i've noticed.
IN GAMES the amound of Ars is decreasing. Maybe im blind,but i've been seeing ASCRs,SCRs,SMG's SHOTGUNS!, mass drivers again,etc....HELL,i even went vs a squad full of plasma cannon users! the MADNESS! BREACH AND BURST ARS> WHAAAAAAT....
MAybe people are just realizing they need to find a new weapon to use since ARs are not going to be KING OF ALL TRADES anymore.
I think this is a good thing, for 2 reasons: GÖª The diversity has increased to a pleasurable level where not only you have a chance to fight back since you dont have 3 guys shooting at you at the same time with GEKs (and we all know thats 100% death sentence) but you get the chance to adapt more with your weapon to different situations. GÖª THE Plasma rifle or AR as its commonly known WILL be classified as a CQ weapon,so its another weapon scouts will be able to use with a certain degree of advantage over other weapons.
Discuss. Or maybe they never were you simply didnt have a large pool of people with leveled up, weapons to compare. Anyone that sits here and says the ar does more damge at lasers optimal range is an idiot, the weapons optimal starts at around 80 meters my efficacy drops to under 60 percent at 65 meters, who is this dude and who says dumb stuff like that and where are the people who know better telling him to stfu? Please make video of an ar out dps the laser at optimal range, 80, to 100 meters, this idiot must never look at the range hes shooting from, wow......Scrmrifle smokes people, dude your bad. |
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
The Kaos Legion
242
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:02:00 -
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i've noticed this too. a guy ripped me apart with a CreoDron Breach AR earlier today. then i was protostomped 6 matches in a row by duvolle ARs.
off topic, but i faced someone who saw i had nova knives, then ran up to try to melee me, multiple times. i just dodged him waiting for him to pull out his AR, but no, he kept trying to melee me. needless to say, i killed him, but i mean come on. he literally GAVE me that kill. then again he was in a frontline suit, so he was probably a noob XD. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:02:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Or maybe they never were you simply didnt have a large pool of people with leveled up, weapons to compare. Anyone that sits here and says the ar does more damge at lasers optimal range is an idiot, the weapons optimal starts at around 80 meters my efficacy drops to under 60 percent at 65 meters, who is this dude and who says dumb stuff like that and where are the people who know better telling him to stfu? Please make video of an ar out dps the laser at optimal range, 80, to 100 meters, this idiot must never look at the range hes shooting from, wow......Scrmrifle smokes people, dude your bad.
AT 60% Damage Ar is still more than enough to decimate most suits XD Are you playing the same game we are? We all know numbers do not reflect directly what happens IN DUST...
Anyhow, tough luck . ARs are gentting huge range nerf. Deal with it scrubby...no more AR514.... |
Roofer Madness
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
393
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:04:00 -
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I ran into a guy the other day rocking a plasma cannon, nova knives, and remotes in a scout suit. And he kicked ass with them too. I sent him a good game message (as I do all other PLC users) and he told me he wanted to play hard mode. Well played sir. Wish I could remember his name. If we ever get a respec I'd be tempted to go the same route. |
Meeko Fent
expert intervention Caldari State
1278
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:06:00 -
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I remember the match where I went 11 and 3 with a ADV SMG.
Then, I remember my STD CalSalt fit with a STD Shotgun going like 8 and 2 in a FW against a stacked match of Gallente Whores |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:10:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Or maybe they never were you simply didnt have a large pool of people with leveled up, weapons to compare. Anyone that sits here and says the ar does more damge at lasers optimal range is an idiot, the weapons optimal starts at around 80 meters my efficacy drops to under 60 percent at 65 meters, who is this dude and who says dumb stuff like that and where are the people who know better telling him to stfu? Please make video of an ar out dps the laser at optimal range, 80, to 100 meters, this idiot must never look at the range hes shooting from, wow......Scrmrifle smokes people, dude your bad. AT 60% Damage Ar is still more than enough to decimate most suits XD Are you playing the same game we are? We all know numbers do not reflect directly what happens IN DUST...
Anyhow, tough luck . ARs are gentting huge range nerf. Deal with it scrubby...no more AR514.... You said it out dpsed a laser at optimal range, again thats 80 meters and thats simply a lie, as for the range it matters little, I play all weapons and all suits, as for scrubby im not on here qqing asking for nerfs. |
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KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:14:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: You said it out dpsed a laser at optimal range, again thats 80 meters and thats simply a lie, as for the range it matters little, I play all weapons and all suits, as for scrubby im not on here qqing asking for nerfs.
You might not be scrubby, but you are definitly not smart NOR have the slightest skill in reading comprehension. 1-Im usually against NERFS ,if you knew me, of course you dont since you seem to be pretty new around here 2- I never asked for an AR nerf in this thread. Im just saying is happening 3-If you dont have anything interesting to say please remove your butthurt behind from my thread.ty |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
1156
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:16:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: You said it out dpsed a laser at optimal range, again thats 80 meters and thats simply a lie, as for the range it matters little, I play all weapons and all suits, as for scrubby im not on here qqing asking for nerfs.
Oh but it does. Also, you hoboed your way into my squad earlier. Good games man.
Only reason why people are moving away from the AR is that it's boring.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:18:00 -
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The Lr needs a range buff for every tier. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
1158
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:22:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:The Lr needs a range buff for every tier. LR needs like 25 extra optimal range and no instant falloff. We might get it in a few months because it has half of "Assault Rifle" in the name. |
KING CHECKMATE
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Posted - 2013.10.25 04:34:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:Nocturnal Soul wrote:The Lr needs a range buff for every tier. LR needs like 25 extra optimal range and no instant falloff. We might get it in a few months because it has half of "Assault Rifle" in the name.
LOL but yeah. I mean i can live with the laser rifle being USELESS in the first 50 mts, but at least make it beast after 60-80... XD |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6458
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Posted - 2013.10.25 07:01:00 -
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It's happening! |
Vitharr Foebane
Blood Money Mercenaries
144
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Posted - 2013.10.25 07:03:00 -
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And not a moment too soon... |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
163
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Posted - 2013.10.25 07:18:00 -
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TBH though, the minmatar rifle is going to be the next generalist weapon, albeit at less DpS than gallente ar, it will still balance well against ScR... Thinkin about that makes me want to pick up the new Gar and use it with speed/geurilla tactics. Almost like scout/shotty. Either that or just go purebred minnie :D |
HYENAKILLER X
Da Short Buss
314
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Posted - 2013.10.25 07:37:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:I think you're seeing more weapon diversity because people are bored and don't want to do the same thing all the time, even if they realize they would do better with the AR. This |
negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
279
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Posted - 2013.10.25 07:58:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:i've noticed this too. a guy ripped me apart with a CreoDron Breach AR earlier today. then i was protostomped 6 matches in a row by duvolle ARs. off topic, but i faced someone who saw i had nova knives, then ran up to try to melee me, multiple times. i just dodged him waiting for him to pull out his AR, but no, he kept trying to melee me. needless to say, i killed him, but i mean come on. he literally GAVE me that kill. then again he was in a frontline suit, so he was probably a noob XD.
or he could have run out of anymore somehow |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4253
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Posted - 2013.10.25 08:36:00 -
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*waiting for all the AR "leet" players to come in and defend it with talks about "skill"*
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Krasymptimo
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
88
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Posted - 2013.10.25 08:50:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:*waiting for all the AR "leet" players to come in and defend it with talks about "skill"*
The 4R d03s t4k3 sk1ll u n00bz111!! l2p!! |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
742
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:53:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Dunk Mujunk wrote:Live it up while you can. Soon as people start gravitating towards the next weapon we'll be right back to square 1. The AR is going to be close-medium range? So it should be on even ground with the Shotgun. I guess that makes sense, somewhere, somehow.......... I hear with the Breach AR you'll have to melee them for the shots to connect.
No you actually have to run passed them, confusing your opponent in the process, then shoot the air in front of you to make your bullets travel backwards into your opponent. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2222
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:04:00 -
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So guys, how about those new ranges on the AR huh, turns out setting the optimal to 40 meters is a buff and all the other new rifles will have even greater ranges You can get back to QQing now |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
4194
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:37:00 -
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"I switched to the SCR because I find it more effective than the AR. I am not bored with the AR. I am not one of those who thinks that the AR is better than everything, honestly the SCR and AR are on par and the SCR does what I like in a rifle better."
- Cat Merc |
A'Real Fury
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
407
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Posted - 2013.10.25 10:57:00 -
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Roofer Madness wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Still haven't seen a small railgun kill yet...... I got killed by a small rail one time. True story.
You were probably answering the front door and the guy had 2 minutes to line up the head shots, multiple, to kill you. :-) |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
872
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Posted - 2013.10.25 11:12:00 -
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40m is short range?
I think the gallanteans are screwing over the shotgun users who do about 2 damage at 20m |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1943
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Posted - 2013.10.25 11:16:00 -
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You talking about DIVERSITY, when CCP is killing the weapon that was supposed to be the most DIVERSE ?
The irony is KILLING me..... |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
490
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Posted - 2013.10.25 11:17:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:You talking about DIVERSITY, when CCP is killing the weapon that was supposed to be the most DIVERSE ?
The irony is KILLING me.....
Be sure not to use Smart Deploy. It'll get you killed again. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2223
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Posted - 2013.10.25 11:17:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:40m is short range?
I think the gallanteans are screwing over the shotgun users who do about 2 damage at 20m
Compared to the 400+ meters modern day assault rifles are effective at 40 meters is spitting distance |
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Clips A'hoy
The Generals EoN.
57
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:14:00 -
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Finally... I was getting sick of using that retchet AR. Combat Rifle come at me baby!
In a serious note... I've got to admit CCP did surprise me with the new content coming up (I'm not sure about you guys). But that is definitely something they have to keep doing.
Let's see if these new additions are as promising as they sound. |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2013.10.26 05:31:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote: Or maybe they never were you simply didnt have a large pool of people with leveled up, weapons to compare. Anyone that sits here and says the ar does more damge at lasers optimal range is an idiot, the weapons optimal starts at around 80 meters my efficacy drops to under 60 percent at 65 meters, who is this dude and who says dumb stuff like that and where are the people who know better telling him to stfu? Please make video of an ar out dps the laser at optimal range, 80, to 100 meters, this idiot must never look at the range hes shooting from, wow......Scrmrifle smokes people, dude your bad. AT 60% Damage Ar is still more than enough to decimate most suits XD Are you playing the same game we are? We all know numbers do not reflect directly what happens IN DUST...
Anyhow, tough luck . ARs are gentting huge range nerf. Deal with it scrubby...no more AR514.... You said it out dpsed a laser at optimal range, again thats 80 meters and thats simply a lie, as for the range it matters little, I play all weapons and all suits, as for scrubby im not on here qqing asking for nerfs. Just so you know the ar range didnt change it all effective is still 65 meters which Ive said 500 times, what they did do was introduce a gun that does more damage with greater range, wonder what you, all will cry about next. I cant wait to spec into my racial variant rifle...... wooooo |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance
874
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Posted - 2013.10.27 11:24:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:40m is short range?
I think the gallanteans are screwing over the shotgun users who do about 2 damage at 20m Compared to the 400+ meters modern day assault rifles are effective at 40 meters is spitting distance
Yeah but they also kill in 1 well placed shot, and shotguns can kill well past 50m.
Your missing the point the AR which is plasma tech is optimal upto 40m, this is the range for most engagements, they have overpowered it now, I could accept it, but now we are getting the rifle re work and they haven't changed it. Its ridiculous 40m in this game is a long way, especially whennthe distance between null cannons is on average less than 300m!
Then the shotgun which uses the same technology, has ridiculous recoil, only holds half a dozen shots and has an effective range lesx than the ar optimal!
Thats just plain wrong. Not to mention that MD is only ranged to 40m, the plasma cannon is useless. Your left with 3 choices, snipe, use the other 3 rifles outside the complex picking of reinforcemens, or use the GAR (God's Assault Rifle) inside, because no other weapon really cuts it any more! |
Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
59
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Posted - 2013.10.27 12:43:00 -
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i love fights between a duvolle vs creodron breach AR when the range is 10m from each other and although you get pounded by the duvolle. your breach just pounds away and causes pain to that caldai pro logi suit............ |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2254
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Posted - 2013.10.27 12:50:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:40m is short range?
I think the gallanteans are screwing over the shotgun users who do about 2 damage at 20m Compared to the 400+ meters modern day assault rifles are effective at 40 meters is spitting distance Yeah but they also kill in 1 well placed shot, and shotguns can kill well past 50m. Your missing the point the AR which is plasma tech is optimal upto 40m, this is the range for most engagements, they have overpowered it now, I could accept it, but now we are getting the rifle re work and they haven't changed it. Its ridiculous 40m in this game is a long way, especially whennthe distance between null cannons is on average less than 300m! Then the shotgun which uses the same technology, has ridiculous recoil, only holds half a dozen shots and has an effective range lesx than the ar optimal! Thats just plain wrong. Not to mention that MD is only ranged to 40m, the plasma cannon is useless. Your left with 3 choices, snipe, use the other 3 rifles outside the complex picking of reinforcemens, or use the GAR (God's Assault Rifle) inside, because no other weapon really cuts it any more!
Two words, Forge Gun Barring that though I have to ask why are you rushing towards them in the open which is where they have an advantage? I mean if they are coming at you then let them keep coming into an area you have the advantage Oh and dont even try to play the MD is disadvantaged card, as long as they dont see you first you are fine since the grenades dont magically vanish in thin air and the explosions disorient the hell out of someone by obstructing their view and the way splash damage indicators work doesnt even give the target a vague idea of where you are I know, Ive been on both sides of it |
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