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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:35:00 -
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Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.
Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :
-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.
Quote:So that's pretty simple.
EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")
Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)
At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.
With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png)
Like this post make than the Dev see it. ![Idea](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_idea.png) It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.) Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM.... |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:37:00 -
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My combat logi fit still works under your parameters, so I'm fine with that. |
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3588
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:39:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:My combat logi fit still works under your parameters, so I'm fine with that. That's because your racial suit bonus practically mitigates the changes this guy suggests. |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:41:00 -
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Then it just need some adjustment for the % PG/CPU that should be used. You right 20% is too less.
Maybe 25-30% will be better.
Do you use actually 20PG of equipements ? |
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:55:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Then it just need some adjustment for the % PG/CPU that should be used. You right 20% is too less.
Maybe 25-30% will be better.
Do you use actually 20PG of equipements ? I use three advanced equipment, and that only ends up being about 15 PG. 20 is too much, that would force the use of prototype equipment. |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:01:00 -
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Actually 20% is around 15-17PG so finally it was pretty good huh ?
But it's in percent so it depend about you dropsuit and oyur skills.
Fizzer what is your dropsuit ? You use 3 advanced equipements but how much equipement slot do you have ? What's your Max PG/CPU ? And what's your 3 equipements ?????
I also use 3 advanced but... Nano K-2 : 7PG. R-9 drop : 11PG BDR-8 repair : 8 PG.
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
553
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:17:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Actually 20% is around 15-17PG so finally it was pretty good huh ?
But it's in percent so it depend about you dropsuit and oyur skills.
Fizzer what is your dropsuit ? You use 3 advanced equipements but how much equipement slot do you have ? What's your Max PG/CPU ? And what's your 3 equipements ?????
I also use 3 advanced but... Nano K-2 : 7PG. R-9 drop : 11PG BDR-8 repair : 8 PG.
I use Amarr Logi. Advanced. My maximum PG is 62, my CPU is 327 I think. I have 3 equipment slots.
I use: BDR-2 Repair tool. 4 PG KIN-12 Injector 4 PG K-2 Nanohives 7 PG
15/62 is used for equipment. 24%. Some of my suits use Compact Hives though, because the ScR is a PG hog. |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:25:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Actually 20% is around 15-17PG so finally it was pretty good huh ?
But it's in percent so it depend about you dropsuit and oyur skills.
Fizzer what is your dropsuit ? You use 3 advanced equipements but how much equipement slot do you have ? What's your Max PG/CPU ? And what's your 3 equipements ?????
I also use 3 advanced but... Nano K-2 : 7PG. R-9 drop : 11PG BDR-8 repair : 8 PG.
I use Amarr Logi. Advanced. My maximum PG is 62, my CPU is 327 I think. I have 3 equipment slots. I use: BDR-2 Repair tool. 4 PG KIN-12 Injector 4 PG K-2 Nanohives 7 PG 15/62 is used for equipment. 24%. Some of my suits use Compact Hives though, because the ScR is a PG hog.
So you see 20% is good isn't ?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6660
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:26:00 -
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That's as ******** as requiring an assault to fit damage mods or light weapon instead of just using a sidearm, or as ******** as requiring a heavy to fit a heavy weapon. The whole point of the fitting system is to give you the freedom to do what you want, this proposal spits in the face of that. |
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
553
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:29:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Actually 20% is around 15-17PG so finally it was pretty good huh ?
But it's in percent so it depend about you dropsuit and oyur skills.
Fizzer what is your dropsuit ? You use 3 advanced equipements but how much equipement slot do you have ? What's your Max PG/CPU ? And what's your 3 equipements ?????
I also use 3 advanced but... Nano K-2 : 7PG. R-9 drop : 11PG BDR-8 repair : 8 PG.
I use Amarr Logi. Advanced. My maximum PG is 62, my CPU is 327 I think. I have 3 equipment slots. I use: BDR-2 Repair tool. 4 PG KIN-12 Injector 4 PG K-2 Nanohives 7 PG 15/62 is used for equipment. 24%. Some of my suits use Compact Hives though, because the ScR is a PG hog. So you see 20% is good isn't ? I did some quick calcs and 20% does indeed seem fine. Only my Placon suit would be broken. I have a suggestion though, instead of 20% of maximum PG has to be used for equipment, how about 20% of used PG has to be used for equipment. So that if I make a suit that only uses 50/62 PG, only 10 of that needs to be used for equipment. |
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:34:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Then it just need some adjustment for the % PG/CPU that should be used. You right 20% is too less.
Maybe 25-30% will be better.
Do you use actually 20PG of equipements ?
Yes. I use closer to 30. |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:38:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:That's as ******** as requiring an assault to fit damage mods or light weapon instead of just using a sidearm, or as ******** as requiring a heavy to fit a heavy weapon. The whole point of the fitting system is to give you the freedom to do what you want, this proposal spits in the face of that.
You're wrong. Actually Dust is giving you the freedom of making what the game want but the way you want it !!!!!!!!!!!
That's 2 diffrent things !! |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:39:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Fizzer94 wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Actually 20% is around 15-17PG so finally it was pretty good huh ?
But it's in percent so it depend about you dropsuit and oyur skills.
Fizzer what is your dropsuit ? You use 3 advanced equipements but how much equipement slot do you have ? What's your Max PG/CPU ? And what's your 3 equipements ?????
I also use 3 advanced but... Nano K-2 : 7PG. R-9 drop : 11PG BDR-8 repair : 8 PG.
I use Amarr Logi. Advanced. My maximum PG is 62, my CPU is 327 I think. I have 3 equipment slots. I use: BDR-2 Repair tool. 4 PG KIN-12 Injector 4 PG K-2 Nanohives 7 PG 15/62 is used for equipment. 24%. Some of my suits use Compact Hives though, because the ScR is a PG hog. So you see 20% is good isn't ? I did some quick calcs and 20% does indeed seem fine. Only my Placon suit would be broken. I have a suggestion though, instead of 20% of maximum PG has to be used for equipment, how about 20% of used PG has to be used for equipment. So that if I make a suit that only uses 50/62 PG, only 10 of that needs to be used for equipment.
That's a brillant idea in fact .
It should be "Used" PG and not Max PG. I'm changing that right now ! |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:00:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1423871#post1423871
Read it.
Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ![What?](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_question.png) ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. Quote:So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid") Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). ![Attention](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_attention.png) BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) ![Cool](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_cool.png) Like this post make than the Dev see it. ![Idea](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_idea.png) It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. ![Blink](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_blink.png) ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.) Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....
Here's my final Version Hope you enjoy it ! |
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Quil Evrything
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:46:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ![What?](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_question.png) ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. ....
No it doesnt fix the problem. It is trivial to equip low power items.
The only fix to "logis stack too many combat things in low/high slots instead of equipment", is to reduce the number of low and high slots they have. |
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Mordecai Sanguine
What The French CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.10.24 23:48:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ![What?](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_question.png) ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. .... No it doesnt fix the problem. It is trivial to equip low power items. The only fix to "logis stack too many combat things in low/high slots instead of equipment", is to reduce the number of low and high slots they have.
READ THE FUC*ING THREAD ENTIRELY.
Seriously the biggest idea is in fact :
At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement
No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:08:00 -
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So let me get this straight. You want an expensive to use and already vulnerable suit class to have an unnecessarily complicated fitting system compared to other suits because you're following the general opinion of an imaginary problem that you haven't proven to be a problem without any proven evidence? Seems legit... |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6667
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:20:00 -
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Also, you don't need 2 threads to spout the same evil. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6667
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:28:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:That's as ******** as requiring an assault to fit damage mods or light weapon instead of just using a sidearm, or as ******** as requiring a heavy to fit a heavy weapon. The whole point of the fitting system is to give you the freedom to do what you want, this proposal spits in the face of that. You're wrong. Actually Dust is giving you the freedom of making what the game want but the way you want it !!!!!!!!!!! That's 2 diffrent things !! Not really sure what that even means, or why all the exclamation marks !!!!!!!!!!!
and ooooh I have 6666 likes, therefore I'm right and you're wrong. |
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1270
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:50:00 -
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fail OP. Reducing the damage from weapons (maybe including RE's and PE's as well, not sure) would work far better. |
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