Eris Ernaga
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.03 07:28:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:Nova Knife wrote:For the record, I feel like I should say that the CPM was told of this quite some time before deployment. We strongly cautioned them that it should never affect legit players, and there were a couple of us (Not all agreed) that this is not a good way to go about it. Not only did we get what felt like a patronizing pat on the head saying "Trust us, it will only affect the bad guys" but we tried to offer possible alternatives which were shrugged off.
While yes, this was the most efficient -stopgap- solution until a more robust one can be implemented, it is not ideal.
The ideal solution(s) once time allow are as follows :
(1) Absolute limit on points for a single action. IE: If you have five guys in a squad scanning and one guy kills a scanned victim, only one scan assist is given to the squad leader and the scan points are divided among those who earned them, with a bonus to the base value to the total points to keep them from earning +1's. There is no endless stream of +X's with this method, as multiple people trying to 'get in on the action' becomes moot and more time actually playing is the incentive. To this end, having multiple logi repping the same dude in order to farm guardian points would be moot, but multiple logi repping multiple different dudes would still get them all points. It encourages people to spread the love and work more as a team, rather than just everyone rallying around the 1-2 guys they know will crush everything.
(2) Re-assessment of squad bonus mechanics. (Will go into this later)
(3) When it comes to revives, the entire system needs to be revamped. I'll write a bigger post on how this should work, but essentially there should be persistent "overkill" HP. For example, A person is "Incapacitated" after being brought to 0 armor. if someone has 100 overkill HP, you would have to do more than 100 damage past their armor to "Kill" them, and they would not be able to be revived. If killed and dealt 48 of that overkill HP, they could be revived and survive another 52 overkill damage before being fully "dead". Players' not "dead" and incapacitated should be clearly visible as such and easily finished off. Revives should only be happening if a teammate saves someone just after they go down by killing their killer or forcing them to flee. No one should be getting "Kill" or "Death" stats unless the victim is down for good.
(4) Uplinks and Nanohives : Point accrual from these is mostly fine. The problem is people bypassing the "Max active" limit by using the same type of equipment but a different variant. This is unintended, and the only fix needed to stop "spam" is to fix this loophole.
The general approach you're advocating here - addressing specific issues on a case-by-case basis - is, in my experience, not an efficient or effective way of dealing with exploits. If we identify specific cases where, in the course of normal play, we're handing out too many WP, we should and will alter the way payouts are awarded, as and when doing so becomes a priority, so that they're paying in a more balanced manner. This is a balancing concern, though. As far as exploits, farming and the like go, you attack the root not the leaves.
Odd I don't think anyone has ever earned over 5,000 war points in a skirmish match so what's the problem. If the idiot red dots are to dumb to switch their spawn or give up then they deserve to die as is the case a lot of the times.
I mean I am in a firefight not exploiting anything and started getting my war point for kills lowered. Besides what does it fix that person is still getting killed and you are just lowering our sp and isk pay out it's already hard to make isk don't make it harder with this system.
Ba bang baby
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