This is from a Logi player who was here before chromosome.

Logis can do almost anything, and do it well. Sometimes better than the suit that is supposed to do that role. On the other side of the spectrum we have commandos. They sounde amazing, a game changer. But that isn't what happened. Two light weapons are super fun, but the suit is lacking. The suit is too slow to really get the best out of your setup.

So, my proposal is simple, and fixes many issues related to suits and roles.
Switch Logi with commando on the skill tree.

Now logis won't need so many high/low slots since they will have a larger base hp. Still only one weapon though, to push the idea of support. Slightly faster than heavies, but not as close to assault like it is now.

Now onto commandos. They of course keep their dual light weapons, but lose their equipment slot. In turn they get a grenade instead. Reasoning being, they will NEED team support. Ideally from an accompanying assault player or Logi. Commandos would be a bit slower than assaults, to better seperate the two roles. Assault class remains the go to class for frontal engagement, with commandos providing support with versitile gunplay.

Logis would hold equipment in the heavy class, while sentinels would not. While assaults would have equipment, the commandos wouldn't. Those who want to be slayers, would go either assault or commando. Those who want to take a more defensive role, sentinel or logistics.

TL:DR; Switch commando frame size with logis frame size. Keep what makes that role speacil, and balance it out. No more assault Logi nonsense, and commandos move up to the other suits/roles.

I wasn't expecting to like this idea, but it's reasonable enough.
But it's too big of a change, it'd be impossible to implement.

I wasn't expecting to like this idea, but it's reasonable enough.

This is from a Logi player who was here before chromosome.

Logis can do almost anything, and do it well. Sometimes better than the suit that is supposed to do that role. On the other side of the spectrum we have commandos. They sounde amazing, a game changer. But that isn't what happened. Two light weapons are super fun, but the suit is lacking. The suit is too slow to really get the best out of your setup.

So, my proposal is simple, and fixes many issues related to suits and roles.
Switch Logi with commando on the skill tree.

Now logis won't need so many high/low slots since they will have a larger base hp. Still only one weapon though, to push the idea of support. Slightly faster than heavies, but not as close to assault like it is now.

Now onto commandos. They of course keep their dual light weapons, but lose their equipment slot. In turn they get a grenade instead. Reasoning being, they will NEED team support. Ideally from an accompanying assault player or Logi. Commandos would be a bit slower than assaults, to better seperate the two roles. Assault class remains the go to class for frontal engagement, with commandos providing support with versitile gunplay.

Logis would hold equipment in the heavy class, while sentinels would not. While assaults would have equipment, the commandos wouldn't. Those who want to be slayers, would go either assault or commando. Those who want to take a more defensive role, sentinel or logistics.

TL:DR; Switch commando frame size with logis frame size. Keep what makes that role speacil, and balance it out. No more assault Logi nonsense, and commandos move up to the other suits/roles.

No thanks. I agree if you want to remove slots in exchange for higher base HP but there is not need to do a frame size swap. All of those changes can be implemented via stats changes. Nice try though.

Bad Idea Simply.
2 Light weapon AND grenade ?
Nope.


To logi (I'me a Logi).
All Equipement slot should be fitted. ALL.
You don't want to use equipement then you get the f*ck up.
You don't have the choice to be a beast or a Logi. Logi suit is Logi.
So you take +¬quipement.
You play as a real Logi take Minimatarr or Gallente.
You want (like me) a support role and fire support then Amarr or Caldari. (Only 3 slot at Proto level).

But you MUST fit them.
It's not "I'm gonna enjoy all these slot and PG/CPU."
There's lot of CPU/PG BECAUSE equipement takes a lot of them.
If you don't use them you don't have the right to use PG/CPU intended to them.
No concession or half concession it's like that and that's all.
There's a lot of Module slot to balance against the lack of CPU/PG for the module when you have finished to fit your equipements.
So there's a lot of slot BUT they are here to take Advanced or basic mods not a full rack of complex mods.



For the commando it's pretty simple.
Having 2 weapon and a big ehp pool is great. On paper.
The speed i found it great.
The commando is at the good speed.
BUT at maximum he have 624ehp.
It's huge for an base.
But he don't have enough slot te be good.
But if he have more slot then it's broken.
So that's an evidence.
He need more Ehp OF BASE.
At least 800. Because afterall he will not going to have better because his slot can't do it.
Logi begins at 200-300 Hp but potentially can have 1100ehp.
Commando begins at 500 but he can't have much more.....
The racial bonus should'nt be 2% for Armor plates/shield.
It should be 2% of damage on Light weapon.

To make the Commando an Weapon Expert.
Having 2 weapons deal with it very great.
But not really fast don't have grenades and less pG/CPU.
If you see what i mean.

Same here. Once I stopped and thought about it, it's pretty damn neat.

I do agree that it's an enormous mental shift, and would leave a lot of players scratching their heads. But you could basically ask...

1) If you're a current Slayer Logi:

How would you feel about losing your equipment slots for a second Light Weapon slot?

2) If you're a current LogiBro:

How would you feel about losing a bit of speed, but getting quite a bit tankier to do your job without dying on the spot?

3) If you're a current Commando:

How would feel about having a medium frame, and trade that equipment slot for more his/lows/grenade slot?


I can't think of anyone who'd outright reject any of those situations. IT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE

Well OP credit for trying its nice to see someone trying, but no that woukdn't work, limiting the logi to a heavy would be a massive hindrance to their team!

The logistics then limits the squad too much! Sorry, but good try!

I counter good sir with.... Logistic Light Attack Vehicle. A heavy frame Logi would need transportation, like most heavies do. Plus, a Logi could run a mCRU to really support his team!

Love the idea and as a logibro I fully endorse the 'heavy logi'. I can see myself with prototype triage hives, prototype repair tool and injector, tanking the DPS for my team, dishing out a little of my own, but my slow speed will force me to stick with me team, 'cause running off on my own is a problem I've had for a while.

However, one qualm: as a hoarder who plays MMORPGs gathering items and not throwing any away, playing CoD with Scavenger as my favourite perk, playing DUST a feeling empty without nanohives, I say add this variant, and add the assault commando variant, without removing the other two. See whether anything become redundant, then remove them or change them to make them more viable. (reimbursing SP as necessary)

I mean, variants are important, right? I'm sure there are ships in EVE that only a few people use, if only to be unique.

Quite true but then you become a sitting duck in that lovely open top cruiser, especially when you have to drive at walking speed! The logi works best on the medium suit it allows it the versatility required to run with a squad across multiple terrains! It allows getting to downed units faster, and still packs enough punch!

Not saying we couldn't have a heavy logi, as well!

Why would you drive at walking speed? For your squad? Wouldn't they just ride along. The versatility of the Logi suit is the problem. It can do to much as medium suit.

Or is it the medium suit that is the problem, why should a logi be rellegated to defensive purposes, maybe its because we are using assaults as a yard stick when they aren't?

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I counter good sir with.... Logistic Light Attack Vehicle. A heavy frame Logi would need transportation, like most heavies do. Plus, a Logi could run a mCRU to really support his team!

[quote=Chunky Munkey]I can't think of anyone who'd outright reject any of those situations. IT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE

Thus it will fail.

Why don't we... Offer a basic frame xk.1 that has 2 equipments, 3 on proto. Has light weapon.
Current logi loses light slot, gains specialisation.

Amarr basic logi would have light+sidearm, whereas amarr specialised logi would have just light, or 2 sidearms.

No thanks

I don't think the logistics class would benefit from becoming a heavy