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Skihids wrote:

Vell0cet wrote:

I don't think manufacturing/industry fits well in DUST. I'd like to see mercs producing the raw materials, selling them on the market to EVE players where they're manufactured into the products we buy back to use in combat. EVE is much better suited to crafting/industry mechanics than DUST, plus it would be a huge distraction for the DUST development team away from things like improving fights, or building a compelling PvE experience. Let the EVE guys deal with that stuff. The code is already ready-to-go, they just need to add a few new resources and end products.

I'm not arguing for DUST mercs to manufacture and sell anything. I'm simply arguing that we have our items replicated for us at point of use and don't buy them in bulk. We buy licenses to replicate items, not the items themselves.

Now that's not to say that this invalidates the normal EVE manufacturing system. Non-immortal clones don't clone jump and therefore can carry their gear with them. It's a lot less expensive to manufacture in bulk and that makes the added cost of shipping, storage, security, insurance, etc. worth paying.

But DUST mercs need the item NOW, RIGHT HERE. There's no possibility of waiting for transport. We clone jump all the way across the galaxy into battle, then all the way across the galaxy to another battle five minutes later. A physical inventory couldn't possibly keep up with that.


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Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1139	Posted - 2013.10.24 19:56:00 - [1] - Quote Skihids wrote: I've seen many threads talking about how BPOs would go the way of EVE manufacturing and we would be buying our gear from Pod Pilots, but that simply won't work with DUST. DUST mercs don't use the antiquated mind transfer technology of Pod Pilots. We use vastly improved tech that we carry in our skulls. Likewise we don't use the antiquated practice of making everything in large factories and shipping the goods long distances and having to stockpile physical inventories. Instead we rely upon point in time manufacturing of items one at a time at the point of sale. Walk up to a supply depot and walk away with an entirely new suit and weapon made for you on the spot. You get to pick any fitting that you have a license to make. We don't carry a physical inventory, we have digital licenses to make what we want when we want it. There is no room in a supply depot or CRU, much less MCRU to carry a physical inventory of every weapon, suit, and piece of equipment that we might want. How can you cram 100+ copies of every weapon, suit, and bit of equipment in one small supply depot? You can't! You can store raw materials and build what is requested. DUST merc technology is simply a generation ahead of Pod Pilots. This is the way i understood the original maufacturing backstory also, Skhids. But there is a disconnect between the way this was initally presented and what we're being told(or what's being hinted at, rather) now. My take on it is that there has been some back-and-forth in CCP as to where the manufacturing power in New Eden should reside. I have a message to those powers-that-be: Creating an aparteid re: wealth creation and control over manufacturing with mercs on the short side of that disparity can result in only one thing. We mercs will not abide such an injustice. We will be coming. For you. P.S.: Threats of the impending mercenary revolution aside(don't say nobody warned you, CCP), the only self-consistent resolution i can see for these two manufacuring alternatives would be that the EVE industrialist actually sell us the nanite goo. Much more interesting would be if their nanite-goo mixed with our nanite-goo in kinky-but-productive ways to engender much military goodness.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1141	Posted - 2013.10.25 00:44:00 - [2] - Quote Skihids wrote: Vell0cet wrote: I don't think manufacturing/industry fits well in DUST. I'd like to see mercs producing the raw materials, selling them on the market to EVE players where they're manufactured into the products we buy back to use in combat. EVE is much better suited to crafting/industry mechanics than DUST, plus it would be a huge distraction for the DUST development team away from things like improving fights, or building a compelling PvE experience. Let the EVE guys deal with that stuff. The code is already ready-to-go, they just need to add a few new resources and end products. I'm not arguing for DUST mercs to manufacture and sell anything. I'm simply arguing that we have our items replicated for us at point of use and don't buy them in bulk. We buy licenses to replicate items, not the items themselves. Now that's not to say that this invalidates the normal EVE manufacturing system. Non-immortal clones don't clone jump and therefore can carry their gear with them. It's a lot less expensive to manufacture in bulk and that makes the added cost of shipping, storage, security, insurance, etc. worth paying. But DUST mercs need the item NOW, RIGHT HERE. There's no possibility of waiting for transport. We clone jump all the way across the galaxy into battle, then all the way across the galaxy to another battle five minutes later. A physical inventory couldn't possibly keep up with that. In that case what the SD really is is a teleportal/market proxy server. In EVE one would have to ask the question, what region, since the market is segmented by region? This could really expose mercs to regional market manipulations. Furthermore, if mercs are buying EVE-manufactured-on-demand equipment at time of use, there is no way to take advantage of buy orders. Outside of battle, in our merc quarters, yes, but in battle, no. And what would nullsec operations deep in enemy territory do? If a thousand mercs drop into a quiet region suddenly gone hot, where will merc supplies come from? We may be forced to carry personal/corp stockpiles on the Warbarge/MCCs, supplemented by teleportal market servers when we run out of items. Perhaps cargo could be transferred from starships to the Warbarge. But i dislike thinking like this, because if we have access to advanced nanotech, stockpiling weapons/eqipment/vehicles makes zero sense. The only things we need to stockpile are nanites and raw materials. We pay for those, ofc, but then we also pay for the use of the digital blueprints. Who sets the price?