So I hear the assault rifle will be short range, Minmatar combat rifle short/mid, scrambler mid/long and Caldari rail long. Shame about all the sp I put into AR but I doubt a respec'll ever happen so I'll be speccing into the combat or scrambler rifle.

How about you?

They won't nerf the AR. Mostly because they are afraid of 80% of the players leaving.

probably combat if the rail is 90% useless in mid-short range like the LR

The safest bet is to make the range on the other ARs longer than the Plasma AR, not to shorten the current AR.

.....define short range? cos in dust long range is like 50 meters , but HELL YEAH bring on the caldari weapons !!! ive been waiting since beta for more Caldari stuff!! sick of ridiculous inferior gallente rifles!

@Fizzer94

Sorry but the nova knife damage you proposed is too much. The damage output in the current setup is just fine as it is. The few things that need fixing are hit detection and the ability to sprint with a charge. Besides, making the standard knives too powerful will just cause people to demand a nerf and I don't want to see that.

@Fizzer94

Sorry but the nova knife damage you proposed is too much. The damage output in the current setup is just fine as it is. The few things that need fixing are hit detection and the ability to sprint with a charge. Besides, making the standard knives too powerful will just cause people to demand a nerf and I don't want to see that.

They take skill to use. Nothing is worse than sneaking up on a guy and them moving, you missing your second strike, and having them kill you. Plus if they were camping they should be dead anyway. It would be inevitable because any weapon + headshots kills extremely fast if the opponent is camping. Plus if you do hit one guy, they can just backpeddle and not be touched by you...
The ion pistol is what I'm worried about...but the Rail Rifle was exactly what I thought it would be like by what you put.

It SHOULD work something like this:
These numbers should represent STD level weapons.

Nova Knives:
Melee Range (0-1m)
250 damage per hit
5 uncharged swings per second
0.5 second charge time
625 damage for charged hit
(~1250 maximum DPS)
*Lowered DPS because Maken Tosch said so.

Shotgun:
0-10m range
550 damage per shot. Pellet Dam = ~550/number of pellets.
225% headshot multiplier
100 rpm (semi automatic)
2.4 second reload
6 rounds per magazine
(~916.7 maximum DPS)

Ion Pistol:
0-20m range
90 damage per shot
200% headshot multiplier
525 rpm (semi automatic)
1.75 second reload speed
(787.5 maximum DPS)

SMG:
0-30m range
24 damage per bullet
175% headshot multiplier
1000 rpm
1.8 second reload
80 rounds per magazine.
(~400 DPS)

Scrambler Pistol:
0-30m range
80 damage per shot
400% headshot multiplier
500 rpm (semi automatic)
1.6 second reload
8 shots per magazine
(~666.7 maximum DPS)

HMG:
0-35m range
25 damage per bullet
145% headshot multiplier
2000 rpm
7.5 second reload
450 rounds per magazine
(~833.7 DPS)


Bolt Pistol:
0-37.5m range
70 damage per shot
175% headshot multiplier
500 rpm (semi automatic)
1.7 second reload
12 shots per magazine
(~583.3 maximum DPS)

Ion Carbine (AR):
0-40m range
45 damage per bolt
170% headshot multiplier
625 rpm
2.75 second reload
50 rounds per magazine
(~469.75 DPS)

Combat Rifle:
0-47.5m range
35 damage per bullet
180% headshot multiplier
1200 rpm (3 round burst)
240 bursts per minute
2.5 second reload
45 rounds per magazine
(~420 maximum DPS)

Scrambler Rifle:
0-60m range
75 damage per shot
2.0 second charge time
225 damage per charge shot
200% headshot multiplier
750 rpm (single fire)
6% heat generation per shot
Charged shot generates x11 heat
16.7% heat dispersion per second
150 feedback damage
2.2 second reload
40 shots per magazine
(~937.5 maximum DPS)

Rail Rifle:
0-70m range
55 damage per shot
190% headshot multiplier
400 rpm
2 second reload
30 rounds per magazine
(~366.7 DPS)

Flaylock Pistol:
0-70m range (no falloff)
50 damage pershot
100 splash damage per shot
145% headshot multiplier
3m splash diameter
60 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 6 m/s
100 rpm
1.75 second reload
3 rounds per magazine
(~250 maximum DPS, ~166.7 maximum splash DPS)


Laser Rifle:
65-85m optimum range
17 damage per "shot"
150% headshot multiplier
100 rounds per magazine
150 feedback damage
2 second reload
(DPS uncalculatable)

Mass Driver:
0-250m range (no falloff, splash damage stops working after 150m)
225 damage per shot
112.5 splash damage per shot
150% headshot multiplier
8m splash diameter
45 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 9.8 m/s^2
60 rpm
4.5 second reload
8 rounds per reload
(~375.5 maximum DPS, ~112.5 maximum splash DPS)

Plasma Cannon:
0-300m range
1150 damage per shot
450 splash damage per shot
110% headshot multiplier
3.5m splash diameter
35 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 6.5 m/s^2
0.5 second charge time
5 second reload
1 round per reload
(~1600 maximum DPS, ~450 maximum smash DPS)

Swarm Launcher:
125 damage per missile
6 missiles (at all levels)
30 m/s missile speed
1.3 second lock time
0.2 second down time between locks
3 second reload
5 shots per reload
(~500 maximum DPS)

Forge Gun:
450m range
1350 damage per shot
75 splash damage per shot
400% headshot multiplier
5m splash diameter
1200 m/s projectile speed
Projectile does not fall
2.5 second charge time
8.5 second reload
4 rounds per reload
(~570 maximum DPS, ~30 maximum splash DPS)

Precision Rifle:
525m range
425 damage per shot
225% headshot multiplier
40 rps (bolt action)
1000 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 8 m/s^2
2.25 second reload
5 rounds per magazine
(~300 maximum DPS, ~675 maximum headshot DPS)

Sniper Rifle
0-600m range
375 damage per shot
225% headshot multiplier
50 rps (semi automatic)
1200 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 9 m/s^2
3.25 second reload
6 rounds per magazine
(~281.3 maximum DPS, ~632.8 maximum headshot DPS)

I think this is everything.

Edit: I should just make a new topic, huh?

I would change literally all of it. Seriously, a STD shotgun should do 550 damage? Wtf are you smoking?

The downside of the Ion Pistol would be its accuracy.

Ion Pistol does a lot of DPS, at the cost of range and accuracy

Flaylock gets splash at the cost of rounds per magazine and DPS

Scrambler Pistol Is a headshot beast at the cost of being mediocre

Bolt Pistol gets extra rounds per magazine and extra range at the cost of DPS

Scrambler Pistol is far too accurate for it's damage. Owned a guy at I think 20-30m by headshotting him. And NO I didn't use the OP Tac Scrambler Pistol. I used the assault...it's just far too good for a sidearm. Only drawback is ammo capacity which can be fixed by upgrading that.

So I hear the assault rifle will be short range, Minmatar combat rifle short/mid, scrambler mid/long and Caldari rail long. Shame about all the sp I put into AR but I doubt a respec'll ever happen so I'll be speccing into the combat or scrambler rifle.

How about you?

I'm hoping that all AR sp will be refunded, but just in case, I'm saving SP to spec into Combat Rifle up to Prof 3.

We have known about this change since closed beta

It SHOULD work something like this:
These numbers should represent STD level weapons.

Nova Knives:
Melee Range (0-1m)
250 damage per hit
5 uncharged swings per second
0.5 second charge time
625 damage for charged hit
(~1250 maximum DPS)
*Lowered DPS because Maken Tosch said so.

Ion Pulser (Shotgun):
0-10m range
550 damage per shot. Pellet Dam = 550/number of pellets.
225% headshot multiplier
100 rpm (semi automatic)
2.4 second reload
6 rounds per magazine
(~916.7 maximum DPS)

Ion Pistol:
0-20m range
79 damage per shot
200% headshot multiplier
500 rpm (semi automatic)
1.75 second reload speedspeed
8 rounds per magazine
(~658 maximum DPS)
* Lowered DPS

Auto Pistol (SMG):
0-30m range
24 damage per bullet
175% headshot multiplier
1000 rpm
1.8 second reload
80 rounds per magazine.
(~400 DPS)

Scrambler Pistol:
0-30m range
72 damage per shot
400% headshot multiplier
500 rpm (semi automatic)
1.6 second reload
8 shots per magazine
(~600 maximum DPS)
* Lowered DPS

Heavy Rotary Cannon (HMG):
0-35m range
25 damage per bullet
145% headshot multiplier
2000 rpm
7.5 second reload
450 rounds per magazine
(~833.7 DPS)


Bolt Pistol:
0-37.5m range
69 damage per shot
175% headshot multiplier
500 rpm (semi automatic)
1.7 second reload
12 shots per magazine
(~575 maximum DPS)
* Lowered DPS

Ion Carbine (AR):
0-40m range
45 damage per bolt
170% headshot multiplier
625 rpm
2.5 second reload
50 rounds per magazine
(~469.75 DPS)

Combat Rifle:
0-47.5m range
36 damage per bullet
180% headshot multiplier
1200 rpm (3 round burst)
240 bursts per minute
2.5 second reload
45 rounds per magazine
(~432 maximum DPS)

Scrambler Rifle:
0-60m range
75 damage per shot
2.0 second charge time
225 damage per charge shot
200% headshot multiplier
750 rpm (single fire)
6% heat generation per shot
Charged shot generates x11 heat
16.7% heat dispersion per second
150 feedback damage
2.2 second reload
40 shots per magazine
(~937.5 maximum DPS)

Rail Rifle:
0-70m range
55 damage per shot
190% headshot multiplier
400 rpm
2 second reload
32 rounds per magazine
(~366.7 DPS)
* Increased mag size by 2

Flaylock Pistol:
0-70m range (no falloff)
50 damage pershot
100 splash damage per shot
145% headshot multiplier
3m splash diameter
60 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 6 m/s
100 rpm
1.75 second reload
3 rounds per magazine
(~250 maximum DPS, ~166.7 maximum splash DPS)

Laser Rifle:
65-85m optimum range
17 damage per "shot"
150% headshot multiplier
100 rounds per magazine
150 feedback damage
2 second reload
(DPS uncalculatable)

Mass Driver:
0-250m range (no falloff, splash damage stops working after 150m)
225 damage per shot
112.5 splash damage per shot
150% headshot multiplier
8m splash diameter
45 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 9.8 m/s^2
60 rpm
4.5 second reload
8 rounds per reload
(~375.5 maximum DPS, ~112.5 maximum splash DPS)

Plasma Cannon:
0-300m range
1150 damage per shot
450 splash damage per shot
110% headshot multiplier
3.5m splash diameter
35 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 6.5 m/s^2
0.5 second charge time
5 second reload
1 round per reload
(~1600 maximum DPS, ~450 maximum smash DPS)

Swarm Launcher:
125 damage per missile
6 missiles (at all levels)
30 m/s missile speed
1.3 second lock time
0.2 second down time between locks
3 second reload
5 shots per reload
(~500 maximum DPS)

Forge Gun:
450m range
1350 damage per shot
75 splash damage per shot
400% headshot multiplier
5m splash diameter
1200 m/s projectile speed
Projectile does not fall
2.5 second charge time
8.5 second reload
4 rounds per reload
(~570 maximum DPS, ~30 maximum splash DPS)

Precision Rifle:
525m range
425 damage per shot
225% headshot multiplier
40 rps (bolt action)
1000 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 8 m/s^2
2.25 second reload
5 rounds per magazine
(~300 maximum DPS, ~675 maximum headshot DPS)

Sniper Rifle:
0-600m range
375 damage per shot
225% headshot multiplier
50 rps (semi automatic)
1200 m/s projectile speed
Projectile falls at 9 m/s^2
3.25 second reload
6 rounds per magazine
(~281.3 maximum DPS, ~632.8 maximum headshot DPS)

I think this is everything.

Edit: I should just make a new topic, huh?